John Piper Praises Rap Song Condemning the Prosperity Gospel

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Piper tweeted the video of the song by Christian rapper Shai Linne, which harshly criticizes preachers of the "prosperity gospel" and gives names of well-known pastors.

According to The Christian Postretired Bethlehem Baptist Church pastor John Piper had high praises for Christian rap artist Shai Linne and his recent controversial single, “Fal$e Teacher$.” The song harshly criticizes specific preachers of the “prosperity gospel,” including some well-known pastors such as T.D. Jakes, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer and Joel Osteen. Piper tweeted a link to the online video of the song while commenting, “My, my Shai, this is good.” 

Linne told CP that he was inspired to write the song after he heard from his fans in Africa saying how popular the prosperity gospel is there. “You have these rallies where literally over 100,000 people will come to hear these guys talk about prosperity,” explained Linne in a radio interview. “The people who are coming are impoverished like crazy and they’re buying into it thinking that this false theology is going to be their way out of poverty. They figure, ‘Hey, it must work because it’s working for these guys in America.'”

The song is off Linne’s upcoming album, Lyrical Theology Part I. Watch a video of Linne explaining his heart for the song here.

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  • Scott

    Man…Piper never ceases to amaze me. He seems to be more against things than for things. Even the things he’s for are against. It seems like Christians ought to be more known for what they are about than what they are against.

    • Bill

      My words, too, Scott.

      Seems a bit of the old, “the enemy of my enemy is my…” well, you know…

    • http://www.facebook.com/ron.lindo Ron Lindo Jr

      You have to sometimes define what are are not for people to know what you are. Sadly, many claim the word “Christain” but few actual live as Christains. John Piper is just seeking to make the clear, and he is doing a good job of it

  • http://markblock.wordpress.com/ Mark

    I’m still not sure what to think of the song. I like it and I don’t like it at the same time. I think Shai Linne could have attacked the prosperity gospel without attacking the people who in his opinion preach it.

    • Guest

      It was very loving of him to call out these guys, because there are so many who fall prey to their teaching. It’s not always sufficient to define false teaching because false teaching is usually subtle. Someone once said, that most dangerous heresies are the ones closest to the truth. Unless he named names, many would not be challenged to discern or at least consider what they hear from these people and discern if what they say is true. If you compare their preaching to God’s word, you will find their preaching wanting and their gospel condemning them to be accursed. The most loving thing one can do is call them out…not just for those whose lives they are leading to destruction, but also for themselves. Sometimes the most loving thing we can do is to have a strong theological backbone that is willing to say the hard things for the good of others. Shai and Piper have loved people here. Make no mistake about that.

      • PastorJohn

        I agree with this concept, but cannot agree that everyone on this list deserves this label-plus, let me ask you this. How many of these leaders were reached out to by Shai or Piper?

    • Tim

      If we knew that a wolf was roaming around with the sheep, wouldn’t we call them out? In fact, that is what we are supposed to do…that’s all Shai is doing. He’s saying, “Look! Wolf!” It does no one any good if we are just sit around and talk about what a wolf in sheeps clothing would look like if no one is willing enough or brave enough to call one out when they see one, does it?

      • PastorJohn

        Shai is not calling out a wolf, he’s calling out shepherds who he disagrees with in the doctrine of financial stewardship. The text you loosely cite refers to knowing the tree by its fruit. Who has done the research on these names to look for fruit or the lack of fruit? Or are we only looking for evidence of the doctrine we disagree with?

  • revrunjon

    Nothing wrong with calling out the people who are leading the sheep astray. Jesus did it. He didn’t mention names but when he said woe to you scribes and pharisees they were in the audience and everyone knew who he meant. Peter told the crowd “it was you who killed Jesus”, and Paul mentioned names. I commend the song for sure. The prosperity Gospel is leading people astray by the millions. Wake up calls can be harsh but needed.

    • Billy Tang

      The Pharisees didn’t follow God, did it for personal gain and fame, Jesus knew their hearts, they didn’t honour justice and mercy, they were seeking to maintain their political safety.

      I wouldn’t judge another Christian I knew personally like that. I don’t know what their hearts are. And I certainly don’t know any of these individual personally let alone start saying they are a Pharisee.

      False teachers deny Jesus. Not sure whether you would call these false teachers either.

      • PastorJohn

        Billy. That was an intelligent summary and theologically sound too. I am encouraged. Thank you.

    • PastorJohn

      With all these accusations going on between the Christians, we might put satan out of business!:)

  • jeff47

    I wonder if Shai Linne will make a lot of money selling this song? That could be awkward…

    • PastorJohn

      As long as he sends proceeds to Africa since they motivated the creation of it.:)

  • Quay

    I honestly believe that this a conversation that must be had between both if the camps as both are attacking the other without hearing the full extent of each other’s stance or argument. I understand what each camp is saying and to an extent I understand what both are saying, but without dialog between them there is no clarity ot common ground. We often harp on context in the theological community and sometimes we’ve heard these “false teachers” out of context and cried wolf! But did not stick around hear of the suffering portion tht they have taught. What I’m not saying is that one camp is right or wrong what I am saying is that there needs to be a dialog to clarify.

    • Trevor

      You over complicate it my friend. The prosperity gospel is unbiblical nonsense that damages people. It should be resisted at every opportunity. Their teaching is everywhere, what else is needed? You can’t serve God and money. Prosperity teachers are serving money, not God.

      • PastorJohn

        Trevor:

        Why is someone who expects a return greedy, selfish, and serving money and not God? People exchange time and energy for a paycheck all the time. Is this because they are greedy or are they just trying to earn a living? When a parent tells a child to clean their room and they promise a reward, is the child selfish and greedy to expect the parent to come through on their word? If someone invested in financial commodities to grow their retirement- hoping for a positive return, are they selfish, greedy, and serving money?—- Why would God promise in Malachi 3 a blessing to Israelites who gave ten per cent of their income to the Synagogue or Temple? Why would he make Abraham wealthy and promote Daniel and Joseph to positions of affluence in kingdoms and nations?

        His nature must have changed dramatically in the four hundred years before the New Testament since God is not concerned with blessing anyone, just that people would be holy. Yes, there is the fellowship of suffering in scripture, but it is not the only revelation of the character and nature of Jehovah. Only God knows the hearts of these preachers you have cited and if they’re out of order, He knows how to deal with his kids without anyone else’s help.
        I pray when I give to the Lord that he would test my heart. I believe the highest motivation in stewardship is to ask God to allow you to be a conduit to fund the preaching of the gospel around the world.

  • Claude Henry Smoot

    The prosperity gospel is not the gospel. Glad Linne made this and glad Piper is promoting it. There is nomiddle ground no conversation to be had. The gospel is what it is and these charlatans Linne calls out do not teach it. Biblical Christianity cannot make accommodations for these guys. I pray they (those referenced) repent and turn to Christ.

    • Trevor

      Amen.

    • PastorJohn

      I have been to a TDJakes meeting and Joyce Meyer and KCopeland. All of them didn’t mention money in their invitations to receive Christ. Their message and presentation sounded very orthodox to me. Since these leaders do not teach the gospel, you can be the first to explain to the millions who have put their faith in Christ through their influence that it doesn’t count until you have cosigned. Why don’t you tell us what the Gospel is? I would be very interested to hear your definition.

      • kdbrich

        For starters TD Jakes does not teach the Trinity. That should be enough reason to call him a heretic.

  • Guest

    I wish God would not have mentioned the law of sowing and reaping as well as seed time and harvest in the Scriptures. If they weren’t in there this foolish finger pointing would not be going on. I would encourage Piper and others to read Acts 5:33-42. Some of these self-proclaimed “God’s Word Protectors” think they are help God, God doesn’t need this kind of help.

    • Dan

      Are saying that you wish that God wouldn’t have said stuff that some people would take serious? Well, that would have been convenient, wouldn’t it? That would also assure that people wouldn’t be calling out these accursed for their foolish denial of the gospel of Christ. God have mercy on them

  • pastorbrad

    I wish God would not have mentioned the law of sowing and reaping as well as seed time and harvest in the Scriptures. If they weren’t in there this foolish finger pointing would not be going on. I would encourage Piper and others to read Acts 5:33-42. Some of these self-proclaimed “God’s Word Protectors” think they are help God, God doesn’t need this kind of help.

  • Tina

    Due to the massive popularity and the ease with which distructive and
    false teaching has been creeping into the Christian community, I highly
    applaud the song of Shai Linne, as the courage of John Piper to speak
    out for it. If evil wouldn’t be such harmful and deceitful force we
    would not need to be so clear and outspoken. But if we condemn people
    like John Piper and they would be silent and not speak loud and clearly,
    the deceptive world of Satan would have NO opponents left.

    • PastorJohn

      Piper is as much a man of God as Kenneth Copeland is. Don’t believe me? Ask Jesus.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CornerstoneUrbanPastor Bishop W. Wayne Pugh

    Another poverty preacher…poor poor preacher & self appointed Policeman John Piper. You get what you preach! I have been broke & I have been blessed & I can testify that being blessed is a whole lot better!

    • http://www.facebook.com/greg.cunningham.9889 Gregory Cunningham

      Face this fact: none of us make a good Holy Spirit… If 100,000 Believer’s get excited about coming to hear someone preach poorly, the Holy Spirit will be there to give them a discerning heart for real Truths.

      Why can’t You be excited if God Blesses someone with Spirit-led Success? Personally… Spiritually… Professionally.

      Why not Expect more… God does?

      Higher Expectations and Brilliant Execution… Sounds like a plan that God would give every Believer.

      • Trevor

        Did you see that thing rolling down he road just now? It was the point, and I think you missed it :-)

      • http://twitter.com/pewdiddy Johnny Best

        Gregory, if your logic is sound, then why should anyone care about holding to the Truths of Scripture? Why not just say and teach whatever draws a crowd? That’s ridiculous.
        Personally, I applaud Shai and Piper for making this bold statement. I applaud them in the same way Chan talks about Rob Bell’s “Love Wins.”

      • Tim

        That would be awesome wouldn’t it? To bad these men and woman weren’t around to preach this to the disciples when all of them but John were being martyred. I wonder what Job would think of their preaching? He didn’t say, God wants me to be successful and God expects more for me…He said, God gives…but he didn’t stop there, he goes on to say that God also takes away. Was he wrong?…didn’t he believe in God…Didn’t the early Christians who suffered loss, poverty and death believe in God? For almost everyone of the early Christians….Things didn’t get better but worse…Why didn’t they realize their dreams? Bottom line is that God isn’t interested in our comfort, but our holiness. Sorry to shatter your dream…I feel sorry for anyone that doesn’t understand this. There’s is only sorry and frustration. The Gospel is way better than this supposed Spirit-led success.

    • Trevor

      Your treasure being in heaven is better than treasure on earth. If you seek it on earth, you are in danger of false assurance of heaven. It’s not the mark of a genuine believer.

      • PastorJohn

        Now that’s a good word Trevor!

    • Dan

      Um….Policeman?? He said, “My, my Shai…this is good.” Hardly a policeman my friend…

    • PastorJohn

      Be it unto you according to your faith!

  • http://www.facebook.com/CornerstoneUrbanPastor Bishop W. Wayne Pugh

    I highly applaud all the great men & women of God who were mentioned by name by this creepy singer Shai & the Preacher/Policeman John Piper. I love Bishop Jakes & Pastor Joel Osteen! They are great Godly men of FAITH!

    • PastorJohn

      word

  • Disciple of Christ

    Joel Osteen is a joke!

    • Trevor

      A very sick and dangerous joke.

    • PastorJohn

      Hey Disciple:
      I wonder if the Holy Spirit has heard your heartfelt intercession for Joel as loudly as your public scorn.

  • Simon Peter

    I am a Pastor here in Africa, where the average salary is about $60.00 a month. It’s true this “prosperity gospel” has caused damage to the discipleship process. But anyone who buys a take-out coffee that costs $3.00 (enough to feed a family of five for a day here in Africa) ought to rethink their own theology. That includes me.

    • Billy Tang

      THANK YOU! What a fantastic observation. We love to point out what we think are pharisees of our time but neglect this plank in our own eye.

    • PastorJohn

      I hear you! Coffee is about five bucks for a drink at Starbucks here in the U.S.!:/

  • Teach

    An excellent book written by an African pastor, Femi Adeleye, “Preachers of a Different Gospel” sheds a lot of light on what this false teaching is really doing in Africa.

    • PastorJohn

      Are the people on this song really the ones going to Africa and sharing an extreme prosperity message? I think some true objective research will uncover a surprise.

  • PastorJohn

    This is not the Spirit of Christ or the law of Love at work here. I have been a Shai Linne fan for years since his underground Philly days, but was stunned to discover that he stooped to this level of capitalizing on the popularity and name recognition of these leaders to make his point regarding his theology and to sell his music. Condemning these leaders as “false teachers” is ludicrous. Whether you agree with their theology on financial sowing and reaping or not, their body of work in these ministries includes millions of souls saved, deliverances, water baptisms, outreaches to the poor and some of them have invested more money into Africa then Christian rappers earn in their entire career. Where is the song celebrating the sacrifice and investments of any of these ministries? Or the testimonies of lives transformed through the power of the gospel? This type of dogmatism on non-salvation related issues is the same attitude held by those who killed the martyrs throughout church history. In other words, “my theological stance is orthodox and right and yours is in obvious error.” Since you can’t burn the non-recanting heretics at the stake, why not try reputation assassination to a Hip-Hop beat with John Piper bobbing his head in affirmation? Whatever Dude! Disappointed in Shai Linne and I will pray for his heart to be opened to the truth he claims to have a corner on. -Pastor John

    • Trevor

      People converted to a prosperity gospel is not the same as people converted to Christ who calls people to deny themselves, take up their cross and follow me. If you think this is harsh the read Christ’s letters to the churches in Revelation. Or hear Paul in Galatians calling down a curse on anyone who preaches a different gospel. Both through the Holy Spirit. The church is too tolerant not intolerant, of false teaching. And I am no heresy hunter, and I hate all controversy. But some issues, not all, are important. This is one if them. I minister in a 3rd world country and see pastors driving brand new cars down silly dirt track roads, with large starving congregations giving more than than they have on the promise they will be rich too. Sickening.

      • Amoko

        AMEN!

      • Bo

        Amen Trevor!!! And Pastor John…this is not ludicrous. Grow a theological backbone and then listen to Shia’s song again.

      • PastorJohn

        Greetings Trevor:

        I hear your heart here and I agree with a lot of what you are saying; however, the pastors you are referring to in the luxury cars on the dirt track are not the nationally known leaders listed in the song. Are they?
        I have served in short term missions work in India, Russia, Liberia, South Africa, Fiji, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Puerto Rico, Mexico, France (homeless shelters), and have been exposed to working with the poor of these nations. By contrast, I have also been to elite events with high profile leaders who have made this song’s list.
        Once after a conference, I was invited to a luncheon with our General Overseer, Pastor, and one of these leaders on Shai’s list in his song. During our fellowship, my overseer shared his excitement over the progress of the missions program in West Africa and the building of a school and free medical center for the poor. This leader interrupted and said, “I want to give something to your mission”, and got out a checkbook and began to write a check. “Would fifteen be good?”. I was stunned that this speaker who was a stranger to us and our ministry would write a $1,500 check to our building project in Africa- But I was even more amazed to discover it was actually for FIFTEEN THOUSAND dollars!
        And it was clear that this was a common practice for this leader! -to give generously! I wonder how much is being given to the poor or to missions by those ranting against this leader? It seems unfair that someone who may have done very little for Africa can use Africa as the justification to name leaders as False Teachers. Are these teachers really responsible for the version of the “prosperity message” in Africa? And if there are other evangelists who are responsible but are less known names, then why aren’t they listed in the song?

        • suzi

          amen i too have been given great insights into the love of God not only for myself but also for others and many other gems spoken in truth from these leaders, isnt it just typical of the accuser of the brethren at work, if you think something is wrong then be a part of the solution in love amen!!!

    • Bo

      Wait a minute…You can’t say that this has nothing to do with salvation related issues right after you just scolded Shia for not writing a song about souls being “saved” through these charlatans. Seriously dude…think about it…you just made Shia’s point. You just said that the prosperity gospel is a non-salvation issue…which then means that the prosperity gospel is no gospel at all…or worst “another gospel.” You said that…not Shai.
      One more question: Isn’t your rant against Shai and Piper a little like dogmatism about a non-salvation issue (A hip-hop song…is hardly a salvation issue…isn’t is?)? I’m just sayin

      Grace and Peace bro

      • PastorJohn

        Hello Mr. Bo:

        God bless you for your insightful comments. I am also opposed to the misrepresentation of Christ for personal gain and abhor the manipulation perpetrated by so-called ministers who serve their own interests. I believe in Shai and Mr. Piper as both sincere and as men of faith. I apologize if my comments appeared to be harsh to you or anyone. I would like to make this last point regarding the liberal usage of a certain term on this Comments Page.

        In my opinion, the misnomer, “prosperity gospel”, is not a version of the gospel at all, but prosperity is a doctrine distinct from the central message of salvation. The GOSPEL, or the good news of salvation in Jesus Christ (that is by grace through faith), cannot have “prosperity” connected to it as if it were incomplete. “Another gospel” (of 2 Corinthians 11) to be hermeneutically honest is a hypothetical construct Paul uses to contrast anything that differs from his Gospel. His Gospel message was Christ crucified, resurrected, and redemption through His blood by faith (it wasn’t how you manage finances after you come to faith-that is another issue).

        The same Paul rejoiced in Philippians 1:18 over this very message (his Gospel) being preached by those who actually had wrong motives. As long as Christ was proclaimed and souls were saved, Paul celebrated. It was when the core message was tampered with that Paul protested. For example, the “other gospel” (of Galatians 1) is a gospel that has “works” or a form of Judaism added to it. Adherents to that doctrine believed that Jesus plus Judaism brought salvation. That belief alters the fundamental message of justification by faith and therefore qualifies as “another, other, or different gospel” to Paul.

        In my opinion, individuals who have repented of sins, received Christ, obeyed the word in water baptism, and have been taught a theology of financial stewardship that includes the concept of sowing and reaping, or giving and receiving, are not followers of “another gospel”. They are receivers of the one and only Gospel, but with a doctrine on financial stewardship that may differ from others.

        Nonetheless, this doesn’t change the sad reality that some leaders abuse their influence for greed and selfish gain even to the point of teaching outside the scope of the Bible and employ dreadful tactics of manipulation.

        My problem here is many of the leaders “NAMED” in this song are Big Givers to the poor and specifically in Africa, which I know for a fact. I have heard many of them preach in person, listened to their altar calls to invite people to Christ with no mention of money-only Jesus. Condemning them this way does not resemble Jesus Christ to me.

        My hope here is not to grow a theological spine, but to receive a new and regenerated heart that reflects the glorious love of the Father in my words and deeds that Christ would be honored and exalted.

        Grace and Peace to you my friend,

        PastorJohn

    • kdbrich

      Why are you being so judgmental of Shai Linne? Does it only work one way?

  • Barry Farmilo

    Joyce Meyer, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland and T.D. Jakes I have heard of, but who is John Piper? Seriously I’ve never heard of him., and probably no body else has in this part of the world.

    • Trevor

      That’s very sad, it means the main influences on you are poor and false theology, instead of the real thing. I would abandon the former and spend a lot of time listening to John Piper’s sermons on the desiring God website. It may save your soul, and those you know.

      • Barry Farmilo

        I was driving down a street in Kampala Uganda a few years back and surprised to see a billboard poster with TD Jakes on it, I thought at least some one is giving these poor people some hope. Heaven forbid those in poverty should start to prosper.

  • jandvicki

    I find it interesting that those in the “anit-prosperity” side of the debate are the only ones debating and calling out those who are “pro-prosperity”. I do not see those who were named in the song calling out others, they simply preach their message. They simply preach and point to Christ. I’ve listened to their message and their foundation is the Word of God and Christ is the focus. It seems there really isn’t a debate, just a few scolding others publicly. I’m not sure that’s what Christ had in mind for His Church

    • Tim

      There foundation is the word…the only think is they are only using the word for filthy gain. And it would be better to say that they point to A Christ…not the THE Christ. Christ says come and die…not come and everything will be ok. These people are charlatans and are to be accursed. It’s about calling out false teachers and Christ did have that in mind for the church for the purity of the church and the gospel he had that very much in mind. Don’t get mad at Shai, get mad at God if you don’t like it.

      • jandvicki

        Thanks for making my point…

      • PastorJohn

        Tim: You are right in principal but some of these leaders do Not teach this. Have you done the research on everyone listed in the song before you laid your cloak at the feet of the executioners?

        • Logan

          The song calls out false teachers in general not just one that preach prosperity. T.D. Jakes doesn’t preach as much prosperity as say Joel Osteen does.

    • PastorJohn

      word

  • A. W. Brzowski

    I do not comment a lot on these types of responses. I have no idea who Shai Linne is and I am not to familiar with John Piper. But I do know that when I read the Gospel’s and see Jesus’s example of a servant King ,And in Acts as well as 2/3 of the new testament of the instruction given by Paul via the Holy Spirit to the Church the western church is sorely lacking. I talk as one who has lost much due to the sin of pride, the love of mammon and not putting the Kingdom of Heaven first . So simple I ask You the western Christian Community where does your heart lay, what are your affections are YOU salt and light?. With out a doubt there is a false gospel and a great falling and leading away from truth. But God judges the heart and judgement begins in the House of God if we being the temples of the Holy Spirit when is the last time you stood in front the mirror and looked upon the Jerusalem of your heart. Remember who Jesus and John the Baptist had the most contention with.Are you a hypocrite, perhaps your garments have the the stain of a Pharisee. Psalm 51 is a good place to start. Please I challenge those who read this to simple ask yourselves do I have a log in my eye ? When is the last time you asked and prayed for discernment and searched the scriptures. Just because it comes from a popular pulpit dos it make it truth..

    • PastorJohn

      A.W. Well said my friend. Maybe the best post I’ve read!:)

  • Greg Seymour

    Was going to write but then ‘Pastor John’ (comments below) said it all better than I could, extract from his comments follows. Would have been OK if Rapper had not named people – sure the Properity Gospel is not great, but to name these people as heritics is extreme and discounts all the good Jesus does thu them…

    This is not the Spirit of Christ or the law of Love at work here….. Condemning these leaders as “false teachers” is ludicrous. Whether you agree with their theology on financial sowing and reaping or not, their body of work in these ministries includes millions of souls saved, deliverances, water baptisms, outreaches to the poor and some of them have invested more money into Africa then Christian rappers earn in their entire career. Where is the song celebrating the sacrifice and investments of any of these ministries? Or the testimonies of lives transformed through the power of the gospel? This type of dogmatism on non-salvation related issues is the same attitude held by those who killed the martyrs throughout church history. In other words, “my theological stance is orthodox and right and yours is in obvious error.” Since you can’t burn the non-recanting heretics at the stake, why not try reputation assassination to a Hip-Hop beat with John Piper bobbing his head in affirmation? Whatever Dude! Disappointed in Shai Linne and I will pray for his heart to be opened to the truth he claims to have a corner on. -Pastor John

  • Nelvern R Samuel

    Simply put Matt 7:1-2. This is no way what Christ intended to transpire in thr body. While I hear the heart of Piper and Linne, I also hear some of the leaders Linne,”calls out”. It’s crazy to think the prosperity gospel is wrong. If you are only considering one context.
    THE GOSPEL IS ABOUT PROSPERITY. STOP THIS FOOLISHNESS OF WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS WRONG AND JUDGE THE VALUE Of THE TREE BY THE FRUIT. If God didn’t need any of these people teaching He would cut them off. Oh, but wait that would disregard His will & GRACE. An imbalanced gospel is not the gospel no matter what side you choose. And I’ve preached in Africa, America, England, and the balanced Gospel works everywhere

  • http://twitter.com/mikekellyonline Michael Kelly

    Great job with this Piper. The best way I can put to words what this means to me is a reflection of iron sharpens iron.

  • Timmy

    I wonder such a conservative pastor can comment a “rap song” because it talks against the opposite of his belief/conviction! May we be conservative in loving others regardless of what messages they preach. “Prosperity itself is not wrong at all” but “Being Selfish – Self Profit Seeking” perhaps is rather wrong. Timmy

    • PastorJohn

      Great comment Timmy!

  • Yourignoranceissoexpensive

    I feel so bad for this rapper and john Piper.. I pray for them, their ignorance goes beyond me. So unlike Jesus..

    • Theirfoolishnessissoexpensive

      Hey @yourignoranceissoexpensive:disqus, Just a recommendation…read Jesus in the gospels…I think it will shatter your impression of Him

      • PastorJohn

        You who are without any doctrinal flaws, cast the first stone! Something like that.:)

        • Clint

          Why did you not say this to yourignoranceis soexpensive as well?

          He called Piper and the rapper ignorant. I know many of the people here think all messages about Jesus are great but in truth some harm more people than they help. Remember God did give the spiritual gift Discernment to some believers. If that gift does not matter than why give it? I have listened to Piper and read Piper, while I do not agree with all I do agree with most of what he says. One thing about Piper is when you listen to him you can tell he has been studying the Bible. With many of these called out in the song, I don’t hear a lot of depth to their sermons. Don’t forget Jesus called Pharisees a Brood of Vipers. Maybe you will want to tell Jesus not to cast the first stone as well.

  • Brian

    I feel so sorry for all the people on here who sounds like have already been mislead by prosperity preaching and for piper I don’t believe Jesus would ever back down from speaking truth so good job piper and shai. Sorry if people had to get toes stepped on. All of the people he mentioned sure don’t deny self.

    • PastorJohn

      Do you know any of these leaders personally? How much time have you spent with any of them?

  • Billy Tang

    How sad. Not that there are false teachers, there always will be. Jesus warned us against them. Those that preach Jesus is not the Christ. Those that preach Jesus did not rise from the dead.
    What is sad is that the world looks to a church that is bickering. A church that tears down others instead of focusing on the gospel of Jesus.

    I don’t know whether those listed are leading others astray. I don’t know whether God is using them or not. I don’t know whether God does or doesn’t promise to bless us through material means (I believe he doesn’t but God may do it anyway or I may be wrong).

    I know Jesus died for my sins. I know Jesus is Lord and Saviour. Since when is that faith not enough?

    • Usall

      No, faith is what are are called to…the issue is that these people preach another faith. This isn’t bickering or tearing down. This is very much like Jesus. Look at the way he talked to the Pharisees…would we condemn him for that?

    • PastorJohn

      Jesus who rebuked the Pharisees also would not condemn the woman caught in adultery. He knows the hearts of man and His judgement is right. Billy, your faith is enough. And God will continue to lead your life in the path of His plan for you as you seek Him above everything else. God bless you brother.

  • http://AgapeAmbassador.com Caleb Suresh

    In the absence of a supreme authority to rule on any matters of disagreement, it appears that John Piper is on a rampage with a sword in hand cutting down anyone and everyone, in order to emerge as the victor and the only one standing. As another brother put it, it seems that we are more known for what we are against than what we are for.

    At the outset, is it in the character of God to levy or impose more burden on these poor people of Africa beyond what they are already carrying? What if God, in the absence of charitable people, chose these very “prosperity preachers” as vehicles to bless these poor people in this life also, as He said He would? Cf. Luke18:29-30. Has He not also said, the humble will be exalted and the exulting will be humbled? What if He gave the Americans a cross to carry and filled the purses of Africans? Shame on us if we can’t discern this basic character of God and shove a one-size-fits-all message/judgment down people’s throats.

    “Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence [while looting it]. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.” (James5:1-6NIV)

    • http://AgapeAmbassador.com Caleb Suresh

      After hearing Shai at the link given and his song, I take back what i have said. However, i do believe God will use even these false prophets to bless the poor even as they exploit them. But God will tell these preachers, ‘I never knew you; Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

  • Genesis Berrios

    Its funny how people condem the prosperity gospel but are the first onea to sign up for overtime, complain about gas prices and compare a can of brands at the supermarket to see which one is on sale. The gospel is founded on prosperity and the scriptures prove it. The problem is that piper and friends

  • butch

    But did God not promise well being? Shall a believer in Christ Jesus remain in deplorable condition after acknowledging Him in life? Did Jesus say those who follow Him will be made poor and weak? Paul said when I am weak in Christ then I am strong. Did not Jesus not say those who left everything will not receive more? Did He not say even our persecution in Jesus is to be considered a blessing? Even eternal life is promised. Shall God the Father in the name of the Lord Jesus give stick stones and snake when you are in need? Don’t you know how to give good gifts to your own child that you should think God does the same? Read again God’s word.

  • denny johnson

    tweets can be dangerous……. too short to say enough, explain enough. Maybe he meant to tell Shai that his rap was “good for nothing”. Not building up the church, not encouraging others in leadership positions. I think John could have done better in his tweet.

  • Genesis Berrios

    These men preach Christ crucified and they preach love of God and people over anything. People who believe poverty and sickness are hypocrites b/c they are the first ones to sign up for overtime at their jobs complain over rising gas prices and compare a can of beans at the grocery store its. The human plight is one the cries out for provision and health we were created that way and the kingdom offers that to preach anything other than that is hogwash. Holiness and a pure heart are the summit of our faith and when that is in place then God makes promises of financial freedom and health. You proponents of this low level gospel of sickness and poverty will one day know Gods heart concerning this. I wonder, how does piper travel and does he not use 700 dollar microphones to broadcast his message, and this so called rapper, did he record this song on fisher price equiptment or did he or someone else drop a couple of grand to allow him to do so. STOP THE RELIGIOUSITY AND STEP YOUR REVELATION GAME UP….
    Pslams 1
    Pslams112
    Psalms113:7
    Duetoronomy8:18
    2 Corinth 8:9, 9:8
    Isaiah 53:4-5
    Matthew 8:17
    1 peter 2:24
    You guys are the pharisees blaming Godly manifestations on the devil….be very careful when you do that.

  • http://www.thinktheology.org/ Luke Geraty

    Thank you, Shai Linne, for this song. It’s a breath of fresh air.

    I’ve seen first hand the negative affect that these false teachers have in Africa.

  • tammy

    wait a minute. what makes ‘Prosperity Teaching’ that to some ppl? Just because they promote being blessed or being rich? What makes us so discerning to know that whoever this Shai Linne calls out are neccessarily ‘False Teachers’ when perhaps this person may be just being biased & prejudiced?

    I am very careful to whose teachings I should listen to. I was blessed by Joyce Meyer’s teachings. I listen to her sermons regularly & her teachings are hard teachings that teaches me not to cut corners & get serious with God. She doesn’t ask us to pray away bad things. To me, those make sound teachings. What would make prosperity teachings? Those that teaches that God would only bring good things to my life & that I must pray away the bad things so that I can be a good witness. Those that tells me that I need to tithe in order to be blessed back with lots of monetary blessings. Who only touch the surface of the Bible & says things that the itchy ears want to hear are what i would consider would be false teachings. In my journey with God, i tend to believe that God wants us to learn more & God is more concerned about character-building than blindly giving us blessings like a pampering parent. So honestly, I am not sure in this case, if Shai Linne knows what he is singing about.

    Perhaps we need to be asking ourselves if we have gotten the facts right before we agree to these claims & hurt a ministry that might actually benefit ppl. We have too many accusations within christianity community already.

    • PastorJohn

      Brilliant!

  • steve ascension

    If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck

  • steve ascension

    “Money
    doesn’t talk, it swears.” Bob Dylan;

    For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager
    for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with
    many griefs. 1 Tim 6:10

  • Deana Callins

    Love Never Fails! The question & Answer to every issue in this Life; even for every person. Is…Did you do your part concerning “Love”. The foundation and “Heart” of The Holy Scriptures is built on Love. Love IS; strong affection for someone, thoughtful, loyal, warm, generous, kind, forgiving, patient, longsuffering, gentle, goodness, humble, care for, tender devotion, passionate affection, it respects and value. Maybe If people in this world saw more examples of Love. It would compel them to Be more loving towards one another. If people had a better understanding of Love. We would See A Replenishing of these Standards in the earth today. I Believe, Selfishness leads to Pride. And Pride comes before Destruction. God only asks “One” thing. Repent and Change. Repent and Turn away from wickedness. And he would be your only God. Sufficient In ALL Things. It Is A Love Walk Forever…………. In total Faith of His Righteousness! God Bless the Hearers. Faith comes by Hearing & Receiving “The Word” of Jesus Christ testimony. Its Good Seed planted on the inside of our “Hearts”. BE’LIEVE

  • Deana Callins

    Peace be to you and Love. If the Love of our Savior Jesus Christ is true in us we have fellowship with one another. By this, we know that the Love Jesus is abiding in us towards one another. If we Confess and Acknowledge Jesus Christ concerning all areas of our life. We are faithful ministers and witnesses. But if we do not Confess or Acknowledge Jesus; who is the gospel fulfilled, we do error/false from the Truth. Denying the foundation and truth that Saved and saves us from our sins. “In All your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your paths” into righteousness. It’s not about us; selfishness. It’s always been and will be Praise and Glory to Jesus Christ the Savior and Head of the Church of “God”. Who Is worthy of all the Praises. In His Name; there Is All Power been given and no other. Anyone who teaches openly of him, their witness is true. Try the Spirit; whether it is of God or anti-christ in these end times. Be not deceived. SPEAK MORE about JESUS (the all sufficient for all things, Than the problems around you. LIGHT always cast out darkness. Good overcomes evil. So let your light shine no matter whats going on around you. Guard your heart by focusing more on Jesus Christ than the troubles of today. God Bless the “Hearers & Receivers”. Amen

  • Deana Callins

    Peace be to you and Love. If the Love of our Savior Jesus Christ is true in us we have fellowship with one another. By this, we know that the Love Jesus is abiding in us towards one another. If we Confess and Acknowledge Jesus Christ concerning all areas of our life. We are faithful ministers and witnesses. If we do not Confess or Acknowledge Jesus; who is the gospel fulfilled, we do error/false from the Truth. Denying the foundation and truth that Saved and saves us from our sins. “In All your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your paths” into righteousness. It’s not about us; selfishness. It’s always been and will be Praise and Glory to Jesus Christ the Savior and Head of the Church of “God”. Who Is worthy of all the Praises. In His Name; there Is All Power been given and no other. Anyone who teaches openly of him, their witness is true. . Try the Spirit; whether it is of God or anti-christ in these end times. Be not deceived. SPEAK MORE about JESUS(the all sufficient for all things), Than the problems around you. LIGHT always cast out darkness. Good overcomes evil. So let your light shine no matter whats going on around you. Guard your heart by focusing more on Jesus Christ than the troubles of today. God Bless the “Hearers & Receivers”. Amen

  • kanenas

    The work on these personalities, who preach a “name it and claim it” or “prosperity gospel” have been studied, time and time again and their heresies exposed.

    If the scholarly exposes on the false teachings of the “prosperity” or “name it and claim it” or “health & wealth” doctrines aren’t enough, there is also the heresy that most of these prosperity teachers teach.

    It is a well known fact, even from his own writings, that T.D Jakes denies the truth of the Holy Trinity.

    Copeland defines and defends the teaching that Jesus had to be Reborn in hell in order to secure our salvation. It was not finished on the cross, Copeland teaches that Jesus had to go to hell and suffer and be Reborn again in order to save us.

    Hickey teaches an Eastern perspective of reality, that one can speak reality into existence, even telling Christians to talk to their wallets and tell their wallets of how much it is overflowing with cash. By believing it, God is obligated to fill your wallet with money.

    Benny Hinn has denied the Trinity, teaching that within the Trinity there is a Trinity of Trinities actually stating that God is nine people. Hinn, under the leading of the Holy Spirit (his words) proclaimed that God would destroy the whole of the Homosexual Community by fire by the end of the 1990s, and many more absurd claims.

    Joyce Meyer teaching that is she is not a sinner, that such a teaching is a lie or that if you do not believe Jesus went to hell and suffered you cannot be saved. (The most important decision you’ll ever make, by Joyce Meyer, second printing, may 1993, page 37)

    So beyond the health and wealth and prosperity gospel, their theology if believed, denies the essentials of the Christian faith, incorporates teachings from an Eastern metaphysical worldview (which is totally alien to the Biblical worldview) and would lead the lost farther from the truth.

    I do not judge their Salvation, as only God can do that. By scriptures own words however, we are commended by scripture to judge a person’s teachings in order to see if they are from God. Often the Biblical writers explain to their audience that we should test the spirits, be aware of false teachers, be careful of angels preaching a false gospel and many more admonitions. Judging their soul is not my business, judging one’s teaching is every Christian’s business.

    And these teachers and many other like them with the same prosperity message area teaching a false gospel, not because of the prosperity message, although that is unbiblical, but because they deny the essentials of the Christian faith.

  • alhatesreligion

    I also worry about guys who claim to have have spent 90 minutes in heaven.

  • Bob Pena

    I can’t say I have a lot of knowledge about Olsteen, I have read one book and been to one of his meeting, but I just can’t hear Jesus or even Paul teaching what he teaches how he teaches. And then when he can’t or won’t call sin sin, he as I recall refused to call homosexual behavior sinful and refused to say that Jesus is the only way, on national tv, well then what can I think but that he does not teach the Gospel of Jesus the Christ..

  • Caleb

    I agree with pastor John’s comments below. I will not judge TC Jakes,Creflo and etc until later on. Currently their sermons blesses me more than these others

  • Caleb

    Td Jakes or those others being accused have never come to Africa to collect offerings from us. We have been here for a while.

    They have brought us funds for borehole drilling, hospital building and such. If that is what you hate in America and call sin then something is wrong

    • PastorJohn

      God bless you Caleb!

  • Sam O’Donnell

    Folks, I think we may be missing something. Those of us that teach will be judged more harshly. We have a high calling to proclaim the truth of the Gospel with integrity. I do not believe in the prosperity teaching. It is often unbalanced. There are a small number that I have heard that preach it well. Any belief can become dogma if we take it too far and emphasize it above everything else. I have very good reasons to be skeptical. My mother was duped out of a great deal of money by these supposed faith healers. My son sent a letter to a well-known evangelist under an assumed name. He received numerous computer generated letters claiming to have heard from God on behalf of this fictitious person. God had to change my own heart about these people because I was thinking that boiling in oil sounded like a good idea to me. (ever felt that way?) God has since worked in my heart to obey what Jesus taught and bless those that curse you and love people the way He does. That’s tough to do. Let’s stop sniping at one another. Jesus said that they will know we are his disciples because we have love for each other. The teaching applies even to those in the family of God with whom we disagree. Finally, Let’s get back into teaching the whole counsel of God’s word and not just the parts we like. God has a much better plan for us than what we often settle for. We are designed for a life that is rich and full and in vital relationship with the God that loves us more than we can fathom. Please I know some of you will disagree. That’s OK. Please be charitable in your responses.

    Pastor Sam

    • PastorJohn

      Best post I’ve read. I have a friend whose wife died and he received a form letter to her from a ministry that said “God gave me a word for you”! He was livid! And I agree that we should be balanced and loving as leaders as Jesus taught us. There is one thing that annoys me almost as much as ministers who misuse their leadership for financial gain. That is leaders who who have a “ministry” of calling out who they feel are outside their interpretation of orthodoxy. They spend hours combing old messages to score a sound bite they can use to support their accusations. We should all pray for one another a lot more then criticize.-Great post!

  • Theophilus2013

    We should take care that we do not lump ‘hope preachers’ in with ‘false prosperity gospel’ preachers. There are principles in the Bible for improving financially – they are not universal promises but they are principles – theologians call the theology represented ‘Royal Theology’ and the self sacrifice and exhortational material they call ‘Prophetic Theology.’ Both are in the Bible and you need both for a balanced diet. We have poor brothers and sisters who need hope. Now what makes one a charlatan is when this is done to get poor people to give what little they have to enrich the speaker – Jesus addressed this when He condemned the Temple for taking the widow’s mites. What makes it false teaching is when it is the focus and not grace, consecration, sanctification and etc found in Jesus.

  • http://twitter.com/dianaforhim dianaforhim

    “Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? To his own master he stands or falleth.” Romans 14:4

  • http://www.chadeddy.com/ Chad Eddy

    The arguments I’ve seen seem to call in the “You can’t call these false teachers because you don’t know their heart”, and “many people have been saved through their ministries” camps. First, how do you know that many have been saved, when YOU don’t know THEIR hearts; second, whoever said that God can’t save a person even as they hear false teaching; third, it is right and responsible for Christian leaders to point out wolves to the sheep, even if the fans of the wolves don’t like it.

    • PastorJohn

      Thank you Chad. It’s true, only God knows the hearts of the thousands of converts that follow many of these leaders. (But I am not driven to skepticism regarding the veracity of their faith confession because of their views on financial stewardship) And Christians Should call out wolves in sheep’s clothing. But Linne is saying these are wolves in shepherd’s clothing. Accusations against eldership and leadership require a careful scrutiny and this song is a litany of accusation that, in my opinion, is unmerited and extreme. Lastly, these leaders may not be perfect according to the litmus test of Piper, but they are not wolves as you label them. I do not agree with every point of their doctrines anymore than I agree with Piper or that you agree with me. The point here is a publicly distributed song that condemns high profile leaders is more likely to promote division in the body of Christ then express the Love of Jesus and again make the church the laughing stock of hell and the world.

  • Robert Christopulos

    It’s not just prosperity, it’s the whole health and wealth gospel.I am a fourth generation pastor, somewhat of a rarity, and very familiar with the issue. I think part of the problem is that we are not taught to read The Word of God contextually to find out that there is great strength in learning to trust God in the dark. Too often those in ministry forget a very real maxim that almost all of the Apostles suffered great privation,suffering and death for their faith. Are we any different? We should stand together with ourn brothers and sisters around the world and help them, never should we forget that there is a great temptation to forget that though we are men of God, that we are not to act as though we are God. He is the Commander, we should never be so bold as to assume that we know more than He does, and command Him.

    Never forget this though, we do need to confront the consistent evils that creep into the Church, but to do so within a Scriptural context, and in love.