Supreme Court Rulings Favor Gay Marriage

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The Supreme Court has declared that same-sex married couples should receive all the same federal rights and benefits of traditionally married couples.

In a landmark 5–4 ruling, the Supreme Court has struck down a key part of the Defense of Marriage Act, declaring that same-sex couples who are legally married deserve all the rights and benefits of federal law applicable to traditionally married couples.

The Defense of Marriage Act was adopted in 1996 by Congress intended to reserve benefits and federal recognition for traditional marriage. But in today’s ruling, Justice Anthony Kennedy stated “by seeking to displace this protection and treating those persons as living in marriages less respected by others, the federal statute” violates the Constitution.

As reported by The Los Angeles Times, the ruling means that more than 100,000 gay and lesbian couples who are legally married will be able to take advantage of tax breaks, pension rights and other benefits that are available to other married couples.

The four justices dissenting were John Roberts, Antonin Scalia, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas.

Twitter is abuzz with opinions from Christian leaders, including Ed Stetzer (@edstetzer) who wrote, “Jesus is still King, God is still sovereign, & the church needs to remain on mission.” Gov. Mike Huckabee (@GovMikeHuckabee) wrote, “My thoughts on the SCOTUS ruling that determined that same sex marriage is okay: ‘Jesus wept.'” Catholic bishop Kevin Farrell (@Bishop_Farrell): “Sexual difference matters…it is essential for marriage. Only through this difference can man & woman speak the language of married love.” And Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler (@albertmohler) tweeted, “Make no mistake: Justice Kennedy’s majority opinion in the DOMA case takes the entire nation right to the brink of legal same-sex marriage.”

Learn more about the ruling from The Washington Post report, from Fox News and from CNN. Also read this blog by Ed Stetzer titled “Prop 8, DOMA, and the Christian Response.”

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  • Harry Ebbeson III

    It is very sad because as the years go on, our selfishness is outweighing our selflessness. God warned of this in both the OT and NT. It seems like the only thing left to do is pray for God to deliver us and for Him to give us the strength not to cave into pressure and what society says is right. While many people may resolve to do just the praying, there is so much more that we can do and we just need to unite as brothers and sisters in Christ and DO what he tells us to do.
    We are going to experience tribulation and hatred; Jesus tells us that we will because we believe in Him. We must endure and only in Christ can we endure. We are going to be mocked, labeled as bigots, racists, and just about everything else that is evil. If we hold to the truths that Christ taught and lived, we will be clean in His eyes.
    No matter what kinds of studies take place that try to prove one way of life over another and that our teachings in the Bible are outdated, wrong and unequal, we must remember that many of those studies are simply propaganda to try to sway a certain justification to not follow God.
    The truth will stand tall and rise above, no matter what any “studies” say to the contrary…

  • Dennis Young

    Rev. Dennis Young
    Another sad day in our nation where we allow “man” to change the teaching of Gods Word. Taking what is right and calling it wrong and taking wrong and calling it right. Our children and families are suffering for our disobedience to the Word of God. We need to teach the truth of the Word and then not waver form it. Where are men and women that will will stand for the truth?

  • olivebranch

    What happened to “love thy neighbor” and “judge not, lest ye be judged”? With proper research, one learns no where did Jesus address homosexuality in the New Testament and references in the old testament have to do with same gender sexual acts as part of idol worship (abomination) or non gay violent domination (Sodom).

    I would encourage those who read this comment to sincerely pray for the Holy Spirit’s guidance in this area of study. It is easy to post a negative response, but before you do, remember no one is omniscient but God Almighty. If you claim to know the definitive word on what the Bible says and doesn’t say about homosexuality, then may God have mercy on your piousness. May God’s grace and love cover us ALL.

  • tomfiola

    I would recommend that all of the mis-guided church people leave this alone, there is NOTHING in the Bible against homosexual activity…. every reference is either a translational error or substantially out of context, Old Testament and New. IF this were important to God, when he issued the Ten Commandments, he would have said something, IF this was important to Jesus, he would have said something about it in the Golden Rule or in His 3 years of public ministry…. a good example for Him to have said something would have been when the Centurian asked Jesus to heal his servant/slave, He did instantly…. personal servants then and now do as there masters ask, Jesus knew what was going on…. John 3:16 is my ticket to Heaven, Jer. 1:5 tells me that God personally knew me before I was conceived…. You can thank the mis-guided doctrins of the early church wanting to maintain control over the people for the governmental messes we are in today…. The Gay marriage thing, without a doubt, will be a real can of worms, just wait till the divorces start happening… BUT… what’s it to you… leave this in God’s hands, he knows what he’s doing, for anyone else, it’s a distraction, that takes your eyes off of Jesus… Tom

    • Brian Considine

      Tom, I think you’re in error about what the Bible does actually say about homosexuality and imposing upon Scripture a very limited understanding of the subject. But the point is not what the Bible says about the act of homosexuality, which is clearly not God’s original design, but what it does say clearly about marriage, so what you offer is a Red Herring. Shalom.

  • Kevin Williams

    Be confident of this, God is still in control. This “letting” season will produce the greatest wave of revival we have ever witnessed. Let us examine the fruit of our lives, and love our neighbor. We can not endorse this behavior, but we can preach the power of Christ and stay the course.

    • John

      Understand that revival is an ‘evangelical’ term not a Doctrinal term. Sin doesn’t bring revival it brings judgement.

      • kevin

        What do believe is the sin, the decision, or the attitude of the heart, revival is a promise, this world has already been judged and the evil one

  • tomfiola

    John… Nice verse…. but what’s it’s purpose…. it is anatomically impossible for a man to lay with a man the way he does with a female…. To word off a range war here…. God sent his son to shed His blood for us ONCE, we either accept it or reject it. If you look at the savagery of man on this earth and especially with God’s chosen, where do you draw the line, beyond the Ten C or Golden R for what is right or wrong, What God want’s from us is unconditional love, though we may not understand His how’s and why’s, He will sustain use, we are His creation, He wants us to live abundantly, the Holy Spirit is very good at walking you through and or out of things he doesn’t want you to be a part of.
    Tom

    • John

      Tom. God doesn’t change for you or for me or for anyone. We all have challenges in our flesh. All of us do. Yours is obvious. Only you’d rather deceive yourself into thinking you can integrate homosexuality into a Christian walk. You cannot. You have not. You were not born gay. There is no gay gene. Read Romans 12.

      God doesn’t conform to us.

  • Name

    Hey people, don’t be shocked by the little supremes edict. God said SIN will wax worse. Get ready for Gods righteous indignation.

  • Jon Coykendall

    It seems pointless to me for someone to try to gain acceptance on his viewpoint that it is ok to be Gay on a Christian website. But As a Pastor I will point out that God inspired the Bible and provided us with His will for mankind. If you choose to ignore it’s content and tell the whole Christian community they are wrong in what has been taught for over 4,000 years, then so be it. We are not here to judge, only God can do that and I’m sure if indeed you are correct in your interpretation of the Scriptures then He will reward you as He has promised. But if you are wrong, well I leave the rest to you since it seems you do indeed read the Bible.

    • Dr Chigbo Ibeh

      Quite well, we are not here to judge. You are here to express yourself to the degree you have the truth in you.

      Jon Coykendall, it’s my belief that you have the right to decide on what is right and wrong based on the level of your enlightenment? Would you be wrong to identify an issue to the best of your conscience? Why do we learn and seek for the truth that exist outside us, if we cannot with good conscience take a position?

      And are we not free to express ourselves in the light of the knowledge we have come to embrace? Would this right to self- expression be terminated for fear of judging others?

      • Jon Coykendall

        Point well made but I believe that many times enlightenment can be based on listening to the wrong spirit, and truths can be based on false or misinterpreted information. Our own sciences have a history of basing theories on false results that have been misread by theorists who honestly believe they have had a breakthrough. The problem is most who differ in opinion take a view of judgement when the other party is simply trying to point out a mistake in interpretation. Self expression is fine but when it crosses the line to intrusion then it becomes harmful. Wars and violence have been the results of differing opinions that have crossed that line.

    • On God’s Path

      I don’t think one can clump the entire Christian community onto one side of this issue or the other. There are a number of main-line Christian denominations which do not feel homosexuality is sinful. Also, discourse on a forum is exactly the point of a forum. But discourse should always be respectful and allow each person to maintain their viewpoint if that is what they come to after considering what has been said.

      • Jon Coykendall

        I Disagree one could hardly call themselves Christian When they ignore what is clearly written in the Bible, the Basis for all Christian Faith and the Word of God. This would lead me to ask other doctrinal questions and raise doubts as to that Churchs commitment to God. When we embrace the Desires of the Flesh( our bodies) we are clinging to issues and things of this world, not of Heaven, God calls Homosexuallity a sin, He will Judge, If you call yourself Christian this is our faith, so again I think it is pointless for someone to post to a Christian Site to gain acceptance for their Homosexuallity.

  • Dane

    Wow, what a clear statement of a Pharisaical attitude– so full of love and compassion. Perhaps you should read your Bible more carefully and study 1 Cor. 13 before opening your mouth!

    And by the way, Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for their greed and inhospitality, which was an important part of Jewish custom for visitor obligation. The given threat to rape the angels was a customary strategy for humiliating a defeated enemy of the time. Be careful of your literalists reading ignorant of cultural context. A fifth grade understanding of the Bible is ok for a fifth grader!

  • Scott Moore

    Polygamy is next. The various baals, goddesses, and demons are all dancing in the heavens as they await the continued destruction of morality and the image of God in mankind.
    Even though this is sad news, it can also be seen as a time to prepare to engage deeper in these issues with the general public….
    Pray on.

    • John

      Actually when you look
      At the demographic of the justices who voted on this matter the law had nothing to do with it. The supreme court justices all voted their own private religious & socio political views. They should all be held in contempt. That’s why the supreme court should not handle cases like this. As far I’m concerned this ruling should be thrown out & the justices involved should be replaced. All the Bush justices voted it down & all the liberal justices voted it up. When that happens there’s a massive problem.

      • pjsr

        When you look at the votes re Prop 8 and DOMA, it is not the same five and the same four.

        • John

          lol what?

          • pjsr

            You said “All the Bush justices voted it down & all the liberal justices voted it up”. However, in the two decisions handed down affecting gay marriage, it was not the same 5 Justices who voted in the majority, and not the same 4 Justices who voted in the minority.

          • joess

            Dear in Christ.
            I am Mrs MRS Joess planta Martin an aging widow suffering from long time cancer of the breast. i am currently admitted in a privet hospital in london, I have some funds I inherited from my late loving husband Mr.planta Martin, the sum of $3 Million (three million U.S. dollars) which he deposited in Bank Here and I need a very honest and God fearing Christian that can use this funds for God’s work and (Big%) out of the total funds will be for your compasation for doing this work of God. I found your email address from the internet and decid to contact you.
            I took this decision because I don’t have any child that will inherit this money and my husband relatives are not Christians and I don’t want my husband’s hard earned money to be misused by unbelievers. I don’t want a situation where this money will be used in an ungodly manner. Hence the reason for taking this bold decision. I am not afraid of death hence I know where I am going. I know that I am going to be in the bosom of the Lord. Exodus 14 VS 14 says that the lord will fight my case and I shall hold my peace.
            Please if you would be able to use these funds for the Lord’s work kindly reply me.
            Your Sister In The Lord.
            MRS Joess planta
            my contact address joessplanta@yahoo.fr

    • Elmer

      I don’t see the point how a child in a restorant I had dinner one night call a woman ‘daddy’. Children are taught that a woman can ba a daddy too. And the girl made a turn to another lady and call her ‘mommy’. This people think that gender is only in the mind. No. Gender is God’s creation. Gender gives a male and a female a distinction which can make marriage .

  • Teretha Thornton

    I scrolled down thru the postings (I am foolish that way) and read the exchange of many. Did I learn anything?. Well one has a degree in theology and the other seemed to be a homosexual defending his right to be that. Both seemed to be on first name basis with God. Can I say this? God doesn’t need your help in defending His Word. He also doesn”t need your help interpreting His Word. The Word is given to us for instruction, comfort and direction. It can and will be twisted by man to condemn or satisfy what they want to believe. As for me and my house we not only will serve the Lord but we will continue to trust Him and the Word. Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed because the stench of their sinful nature provoked God. Did those who read this not see where Lot offered his virgin daughters to the men who were trying to get to the male angels and they refused his offer. They were not there to play patty cake they were there to rape the male angels. That city was so sinful that Lot’s wife upon on looking back was turned into a pillar. That city was so sinful that the sin followed Lot and his daughters who got him drunk and committed incest. and had children by their own father. This country continues to try and force us into an alternative lifestyle which is another word for sin. While we argue about it we should be be doing some hardcore praying. In Jesus Name

  • On God’s Path

    Jesus never addressed homosexuality. He mentions marriage only to decry divorce. Polygamy was never banned in the Bible except for elders/deacons of the church presumably because large households would require too much time away from Church duties. Large family units were the norm in Jesus’ day- a community of relatives, servants, employees who all worked together for the benefit of all. God’s Way is love. Be loving & build community. Don’t build animosity in the name of Jesus. What is God’s idea of marriage? I pray that God guides us all to discover His will in this matter- even if we don’t all feel comfortable with His answer.

    • John

      Jesus is the Word of God. There are six different places the Word of God calls homosexuality a sin. There are 2 places in the New Testamemt where It says homosexuals will never enter the kingdom of Goc. This is a closed subject. The End.

      • On God’s Path

        As a theologian, you know that there are also many things in Leviticus codes, and elsewhere that are commanded which are not followed nor even called for by Christians. No divorce, no pork, no cutting women’s hair, stoning adulterers, and so on. To pick and choose literal passages of the Bible without looking at context and intent to simply push a personal agenda is an affront to God. He gives us wisdom and as we grow & mature as the human race – God’s message for us changes – Just as we don’t teach a 3 year old the same way as a 17 year old. God is still speaking and to deny that possibility is to deny that God is still working among us. The subject, for you, is obviously closed. But for us who strive to continue to grow on God’s path, our hearts and minds must be open to the Spirit’s continual guidance in all matters.

    • ken

      Lev 20:13
      verse matches the year it was made expectable to man not GOD and it never will be sin is sin and that’s a abomination before God sexual active gay couples will not enter heaven with out repentance before they die sorry the devil has deceived so many people the thought anything is ok and everything is alright isn’t bible!

  • On God’s Path

    Check the Greek translation for what you read as “homosexual” in that passage. It is a mistranslation! Also, note that the condemnation of that time was for men sleeping together when of the same social status. As Dane points out – context is crucial to understanding – as is the correct translation. I pray God’s will in this matter be known to many and followed, whether we agree or are comfortable with the answer.

  • On God’s Path

    John – put away your childish ways & see the world through your heart – not thoughts or fears but Love:
    1 Corinthians 13: 1-13: If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast,[a] but do not have love, I gain nothing.

    Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

    Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end. For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. For now we see in a mirror, dimly,[b] but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love.
    May God’s Way of Love prevail.

  • Sandy

    Some Christiabs are happy about the decision. Liberty and justice for ALL. Praise God.

  • WesB

    Acceptance is not contingent on approval. If this were the case God would have abandoned us long ago.

  • Steven Thompson

    God is still God. And all that He enacted from the beginning is still good and true and real. This recent act of legalism, whether it be by a vote of “whatever” to give rights to same sex “marriage (oxy-moran)… for there can be no such thing. For as soon as you say “same-sex” you void marriage. Now then… I don’t think it is a question of whether they can have rights of laws the same as godly couples, I think the problem starts with legalizing the “wed-lock (deadlock), The rights are of non-factor. Its like legalizing benefits for babies born out of wedlock. The baby is not of sin…it’s the act of sex out of marriage that is sin.
    It’s not sin to allow them benefits. The sin started before that. The lagalizers for the benefits, the couples and the legalizer of the false marital act will be in the same hell if they don’t get right with Jesus Christ.
    Now then… if same sex is right for anybody, it should right for everybody, questions:
    If same sex is all right, why is it that one of the parties has to be the “male-factor”, dress like a man, or be the male part?
    If it OK and everybody does it, what will happen to the human population? How can two of the same anything….reproduce? > >
    “These” couples have children, but where did they get them? From “different” sex units.

    • joess

      Dear in Christ.
      I am Mrs MRS Joess planta Martin an aging widow suffering from long time cancer of the breast. i am currently admitted in a privet hospital in london, I have some funds I inherited from my late loving husband Mr.planta Martin, the sum of $3 Million (three million U.S. dollars) which he deposited in Bank Here and I need a very honest and God fearing Christian that can use this funds for God’s work and (Big%) out of the total funds will be for your compasation for doing this work of God. I found your email address from the internet and decid to contact you.
      I took this decision because I don’t have any child that will inherit this money and my husband relatives are not Christians and I don’t want my husband’s hard earned money to be misused by unbelievers. I don’t want a situation where this money will be used in an ungodly manner. Hence the reason for taking this bold decision. I am not afraid of death hence I know where I am going. I know that I am going to be in the bosom of the Lord. Exodus 14 VS 14 says that the lord will fight my case and I shall hold my peace.
      Please if you would be able to use these funds for the Lord’s work kindly reply me.
      Your Sister In The Lord.
      MRS Joess planta
      my contact address joessplanta@yahoo.fr

  • Steven Thompson

    Let me add, I have no hatred or animosity for these couples. I believe in”love ye one another”. After all one can never say who is what. Its like saying “Lord move my mountains” and then one of your loved ones are moved. I love people… but as a child of God, (even though I commits acts of….must hate sin.

  • Hobbes And Bella

    I am more concerned about you, John, because you claim to have completed a systematic study of concepts of God and religious and Biblical truths which places you in a place of greater responsibility and expectation of not just knowing of God but personally KNOWING God. If you truly KNOW God as much as you claim to know of God then the sweet fruit of that knowing would be so abundant and evident in your posts we would all be blessed and refreshed by your mussing. Because this isn’t the case here, it shouldn’t surprise you that I’m more concerned about you than I am for Dane.

  • Felicidad Delos Santos Villamo

    Same sex marriage is not God’s design but the Devil’s making. These Supreme Court judges will reap the consequences of their action later on. May God have mercy on your country, it’s going down,down,down!

    • joess

      Dear in Christ.
      I am Mrs MRS Joess planta Martin an aging widow suffering from long time cancer of the breast. i am currently admitted in a privet hospital in london, I have some funds I inherited from my late loving husband Mr.planta Martin, the sum of $3 Million (three million U.S. dollars) which he deposited in Bank Here and I need a very honest and God fearing Christian that can use this funds for God’s work and (Big%) out of the total funds will be for your compasation for doing this work of God. I found your email address from the internet and decid to contact you.
      I took this decision because I don’t have any child that will inherit this money and my husband relatives are not Christians and I don’t want my husband’s hard earned money to be misused by unbelievers. I don’t want a situation where this money will be used in an ungodly manner. Hence the reason for taking this bold decision. I am not afraid of death hence I know where I am going. I know that I am going to be in the bosom of the Lord. Exodus 14 VS 14 says that the lord will fight my case and I shall hold my peace.
      Please if you would be able to use these funds for the Lord’s work kindly reply me.
      Your Sister In The Lord.
      MRS Joess planta
      my contact address

  • Hope

    May God continue to open our understanding as to why Jesus came to earth! For we were all powerless to change. For neither life or death can change us, but only by the hearing of God’s word can a person come to the knowledge of the truth and recieve the gift of faith and God’s grace to step forward and wonderfully experience of change into a person that is empowered through christ to be transformed and be fully satisfied in peace and joy and see His grace bless others through us to His glory. What a Glorious , Awsome humbling experiemce. Thank you Jesus for reaching down to me and liftng me up to you!

  • tomfiola

    John…. I hope this reply gets to you from this source… I have known the Lord for 45 years, married 32 years, 2 wonderful kids and the ex-filed for divorce 11 years ago… I was born into a staunch Catholic structure, almost became a priest, when I was in considerable rebellion, I was drafted and sent to Vietnam, God protected me, even though I hadn’t received His as my Lord and Savior yet, I did that 2 years later. I have been gay all my life and spent more than a little time in a closet…. when I got out of the service, my mom and grandmother demanded that I get married and give them grand kids, referencing that I needed to put my attraction to men on a shelf somewhere, as if it were some kind of rite of passage…. easier said than done. I was faithful to my vows during a very stormy marriage, though she never believed me, till my attorney told me to take my ring off and start rebuilding my life…. it took 9 years to find the right mate again.
    I have had years alone with the Lord as my best friend and teacher and provider…. As a Gentile, we were grafted into the Jewish vine, but not bound by the OT regs, more than for guidance and a history of what was important to God with His special people… notice… they went around the mountain a few times…. Why?, because they wanted to do their own thing without including God….. He says very plainly that he is a jeolous God and wants nothing to seporate us from Him, WELL…. to make that happen, you have to make God your best friend…. The early church…that would be Peter, Paul and Constantine wanted to control the people… Peter with a Christian format reeking with Jewish tradition/dogma, Paul, similar, but building off of the recent teachings of Jesus, but still loaded with doctrines of the time, then Constantine, in his quest to maintain the Roman life style, ???saw a vision to fight his battles under the symbol of the cross, so the Roman Christian (Catholic) was birthed, again…. to control the people….. When Jesus came into my heart to become my personal Lord and Savior, he put NO fences around me…. and he promised to take care of me and mine and walk be out of what he didn’t want me involved in….. If God and His Word don’t put a fense around you, why should man twist the scriptures around to meet there goals, when God never authorized it.
    Tom

    Subject: Re: New comment posted on Supreme Court Finds DOMA Unconstitutional

  • tomfiola

    John…

    You want to live by legalism, have fun. Jesus went to the poor the down troden, to the bars, brothels, to the little people that were willing to listen….. the doctors, well educated and well to do he left alone as they were happy and unwilling to listen/change to someone that spoke of the love of God, many followed Jesus for free stuff; once Jesus planted his seed in the hearts of his sheep, the Holy Spirit did the rest…. Many have plenty of head knowledge and little or no heart knowledge…. which are you..???? From what I see you are heavily steeped in religious legalism/doctrins and dogma, have fun with it, It did nothing for the High Priests that sentenced Jesus to the cross, it will do nothing for you.
    Tom

    Subject: Re: New comment posted on Supreme Court Finds DOMA Unconstitutional

  • Brian Considine

    John, would Jesus be pleased with your proud boastfulness and arrogance? If you can support that Biblically, please enlighten us. But I don’t see the Spirit of Christ in what you share but hate and bitterness.

  • On God’s Path

    John – Jesus admonishes us to practice humility and kindness. Your posts fail to live up to this standard. Please carefully consider your words.

  • Hank

    I agree with you Brian. I may disagree with those who believe that homosexuality is not a sin, but I still need to treat them with love and respect. There is a time and place for harsh confrontation, but even that needs to be done with gentleness and love. By no means am I saying we need to compromise our beliefs and say same sex marriage is “ok”. We just need to be sensitive on how we discuss this hot topic with others.

    John, you have to admit, you are coming across quite aggressive. You may get farther in discussion with someone on this topic if you took a more gentle approach. It looks like Tom has gone through a lot in his life and he is sharing from his heart. This doesn’t mean we have to agree with him, but we should respect him.

  • Dane

    Also says not to eat seafood, stone adulterers, not to wear different fabrics of clothing. By those standards EVERYONE in every fundamental church are instant hypocrites!!!!

  • Dane

    Not anymore than you look with the way you are carrying on.

  • Adam

    Well I say this for you. If I came in here gay lying to myself about what the Bible says about homosexuality I sure wouldn’t leave that way. You definitely have a gift for taking things out of the gray & then obliterating that color so they can’t ever wander back in!

  • Hobbes And Bella

    Perhaps, John, but Christ’s love trumps a masters in Theology. Without love you’re just a noisy theologian. It’s fine to disagree but never justifies rudeness. You just might out argue Dane but HOW you win an argument really does matter to God especially if you identify yourself as His follower.

  • On God’s Path

    John, being a theologian doesn’t give you the right to judge, be insensitive, or lash out with put downs. Following the Way is more than simply reading & defending your understanding of the Bible. I pray that your heart and eyes open to all of God’s Word & Children.

  • Adam

    Did I read correctly? Did you say God destroyed Sodom because they were inhospitable ? lol

  • Algoria

    tomfiola, I’m afraid you have been deceived.

    “Haven’t you read,” (Jesus) replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh.”

    Jesus himself gave us the definition of marriage, which he said was the Creator’s plan, and it is one man/one woman. If you truly love and respect Jesus as you claim, you should heed his words.

    Obviously the temptation to live the homosexual lifestyle is very powerful in your life based on what you have told us. But Paul (whom you do not seem to respect) had this to say and I think his wisdom applies to all of us:

    “No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted,he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it. Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry.”

  • amos8

    1 Cor 10:13 (compare w/2 Cor 1:8-9)

  • Algoria

    Sorry Dalia, I should have put in the references.
    For your info there are some very helpful sites online with concordances and many other bible study helps as well as the whole bible in just about any version. Look up Biblegateway or Bible Suite Online Bible for two of them.

  • Algoria

    Thanks amos8.
    “We do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about the troubles we experienced in the province of Asia. We were under great pressure, far beyond our ability to endure, so that we despaired of life itself. Indeed, we felt we had received the sentence of death. But this happened that we might not rely on ourselves but on God, who raises the dead.” 2 Cor 1:8-9

    I was just reading the story of the three young men in the fiery furnace this morning and this scripture you referenced seems to parallel what I read in Daniel:
    Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied…, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us from Your Majesty’s hand. But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.” Daniel 3

    We may be in for a rough time one day when the verbal criticism and name-calling turns to actual persecution and physical abuse, unless God intervenes. Things are happening very rapidly at the moment in our societies, although I suppose we must have an interval of some years left yet.
    I don’t relish the idea of being imprisoned or killed for my faith, but at this very time over 100,000 of our brothers and sisters around the world are killed for being Christians EVERY year. (Let’s pray for them and support them through good ministries.) No reason to think we will be exempt forever. If such a thing does happen to us or our children, 2 Cor 1:8-9 will be important verses to remember.

  • On God’s Path

    The honor/shame codes of that time spoke only of issues when males slept with males of equal status. The family was a large unit of workers, servants, extended family. Polygamy was the norm, as was sleeping with servants – male & female. I am not saying the old way is the way to go but context is everything in understanding the message. It isn’t the homosexuality that is the issue. Paul was speaking against anything that became an obsession (lust, idolatry, adultery, etc.) and takes your eyes of God. Read the rest of 1 Corinthians – Paul was ticked off because the Church in Corinth was experiencing infighting and issues with leaders teaching false messages and not focusing on God’s work. He also thought Jesus’ return was immanent and warned singles not to marry because there is no point – time is short. I don’t see everyone running around single in the name of Jesus’ immanent return. To take a passage out of context loses its true meaning. I pray we all discover and follow God’s will in this matter. God Bless.

  • On God’s Path

    Romans speaks of lustful desires outside of a relationship as with adultery or prostitution.

    1 Corinthians – Lecher does not mean homosexual – lechery means lustful, lewdness, debauchery, profligacy & probably addresses male prostitution

    1 Timothy – see above

  • On God’s Path

    I am on God’s path, as are all God’s children, whether they know it or not. I do not claim to hold a majority – I am simply walking the path God is laying before ME. I pray daily that the Spirit guides my thoughts, words, and actions and I obediently follow as best I can. Your insults are misguided.

  • On God’s Path

    John, you do not know anything about me. Your assessment of me as a pervert & filth is a judgment which is not for you to make. It is between me and God. I know my Creator loves me as He loves you. I fail to see how insults help prove your point. I pray that God shows us both His way in this matter – and keeps our hearts open to His truth & Love.

  • John

    The Word of God holds the majority

  • John

    You are going to split hell wide open

  • tomfiola

    Well, we can have a battle of verses till dooms day. John 3:16 says everything that needs to be said… the rest is there for guidance and inspiration, I am a gentile, the rules have changed, Jesus put his mark on all his sheep. You and others want to debate the word… knock yourself out….. when you stop kicking against a cactus, you’ll realize that God lovingly created you, just as you are… with out pre-conditions and a Holy Spirit to guide our steps in or out of where he wants us. Very simple, if you want to royle in legalism as the formal church does today or as the priests did when condemning Jesus to the cross, have fun…. do it some where else…. as it appears that you are very closed minded, the same kind of people Jesus usually avoided while he was on earth.
    Subject: Re: New comment posted on Supreme Court Finds DOMA Unconstitutional

  • Teretha Thornton

    You know John I really did learn something from and about you. I will continue to cover you with prayer. In Jesus Name

  • Teretha Thornton

    There is something called discerning of spirits. And the spirit that would have you attack someone who you don’t know and will probably never know. If you were offended by anything I said I should say I am sorry but I am sure you don’t want me to lie. I can honestly say to you that I pray the eyes of your understanding be enlightened. In Jesus Name

  • Algoria

    You’re mistaken, tomfiola, whether you want to hear it or not.

    Yes, John 3:16 says God gave his Son so that whoever believes in him shall have eternal life. However, what does it mean to believe in Jesus? It doesn’t mean to live any old way we please, disregarding God’s clear instructions. Mere mental assent is not what God requires of us.

    You seemed negative about the apostle Paul whom God chose to lead the entire church (a better man I’m sure than either of us). I suppose you don’t like Peter either, another man chosen by God. He said this:

    So you must live as God’s obedient children. Don’t slip back into your old ways of living to satisfy your own desires. You didn’t know any better then. But now you must be holy in everything you do, just as God who chose you is holy. For the Scriptures say, “You must be holy because I am holy.”
    And remember that the heavenly Father to whom you pray has no favorites. He will judge or reward you according to what you do. So you must live in reverent fear of him during your time as “foreigners in the land.” 1 Peter 1

    This is not legalism tom. It’s a crucial part of the gospel, the good news about salvation through the death of Jesus Christ. We must be holy because God is holy. Do you think Peter was a Pharisee? Stop lying to yourself. Too much is at stake.

  • pjsr

    It seems reasonable to conclude you are talking about the two Supreme Court Rulings in the article you are commenting on, titled ‘Supreme Court Rulings (plural) Favor Gay Marriage’. There are also links to others sites and a blog that are about both Supreme Court rulings – one regarding Proposition 8 in California and one regarding the Defense of Marriage Act.

    You state, “The supreme court justices all voted their own private religious & socio political views”. I’m not sure how that can be, since four of the Justices voted for in a way that would ‘Favor Gay Marriage’ in one of the rulings and then voted the other way in the other ruling.

  • pjsr

    These two Supreme Court rulings were released on the same day – one is not most recent! I’m only challenging your accusation that they all voted their private views and that the law had nothing to do with it.

    For others who did not read the articles: In the DOMA ruling, it is true that the three Bush appointees (one Bush Sr and two Bush Jr) and one Reagan appointee voted in the minority opinion. The majority was two Clinton, two Obama, and one Reagan appointee. This ruling overturned a law passed by both houses of Congress and President Clinton defining marriage as between a man and a woman and denying federal benefits to same-sex spouses, even if the marriage was legal in the state where it took place. It basically said that the federal government must acknowledge marriages, and provide benefits to spouses for all marriages that are legal according to an individual state. This decision did not legalize same-sex marriage in any state where it was not already legal, nor change the status of any existing marriages. It did require states to recognize marriages performed in other states. It only affected federal benefits accorded to already legal same-sex marriages.

    In the Proposition 8 case, the court determined that those appealing the California Supreme Court’s overturning of Proposition 8 had no standing to challenge the ruling, because that responsibility falls solely upon the State of California to defend its laws in the courts. The effect of this ruling was to immediately make same-sex marriages legal again in California.

    In this Proposition 8 case, one Bush Jr appointee, and one Reagan appointee flipped from what everyone considers the anti same-sex marriage side to the pro same-sex marriage side. Also, the other Reagan appointee and one Obama appointee flipped the other direction.

    So, while a person might agree or disagree with one or both decisions of the court, these four justices changed ‘sides’ if one is only looking at the ramifications regarding the legality and/or recognition of same-sex marriage.

    These four justices would have had to have changed their ‘private religious and socio-political views’ between the two votes released the same day, if that was the basis of their votes. Or… perhaps they actually voted according to their interpretation of the law.

    Any person can read the information himself by clicking on the links included in the above article.

  • On God’s Path

    I am not making things up. As a theologian, you know that the Bible is not cut and dry. You also know that there are well respected theologians and mainline denominations who disagree with you as to the sinfulness of homosexuality. Simply because you disagree does not make them wrong any more than my disagreeing with you makes me right. One of the hallmarks of theological discourse is being able to express ones findings with regards to scripture under the guidance of the Spirit along with historical contexts. God’s Truth is not debatable,but our understanding – as you know – is incomplete even with the revelation of God through Jesus and the Bible. Theology is the process of trying to understand as much of God’s truth as we can with our limited human capacities. It is a process, and discourse – Christian discourse without insults but with consideration for the others viewpoints is part of theology.

    As to the custom you are referring to, I did not make it up and it was a common practice among Greco-Roman (gentile) communities.

    Further, your assumption about my identity is simply that – an assumption and you are way off base. I am striving to be more Christ-like each and everyday. I have a strong personal relationship with God and live to serve Him, through the guidance of the Spirit. I believe in love, truth, and justice. I obediently follow God’s call in all areas of my life. Your assumptions about my character and sexuality are wrong. I am not demon possessed. I am a church elder in a main-line protestant denomination. I attend a well respected, rigorous, main-line protestant seminary. I love God first, and fellow human beings second. And i am saved by God’s loving grace.

    I am not trying to change your opinion of me or your position on gay marriage. I am, however, trying to change your harsh tone. You can express your beliefs without attacking others. You can take a stand for your beliefs and not yield and yet do so without resorting to insults, insinuations, or other unkind actions.

  • On God’s Path

    Let us both pray to God that He shows us both the truth. This, we can both agree on, yes?

  • On God’s Path

    So that you know, I am not Dane. There are more than one Christian who disagrees with you.

  • On God’s Path

    My Father is God. Your attacks are unfounded and unnecessary.

  • ksm

    Nice Christian manner of speaking. Please take your caps lock off – it looks like you’re yelling. Yelling and a condescending attitude are counterproductive in what should be a courteous discourse.

  • Teretha Thornton

    Dalia I am not sure what you mean by charismatics.

  • Sheryce

    Have you ever met a gay person? I’m genuinely asking. I read through these comments, and I want to be angry, I want to call people pathetic, but at the end of the day, all I can feel is sadness. You must be so afraid of the world around you. It must feel like the world is nothing like it used to be and there’s nothing you can do to stop it.
    From the bottom of my heart, I want you to know it’s okay. There’s sin in this world. There’s brokenness. But there’s still Jesus. There’s still goodness. There’s still redemption.
    From the bottom of my heart, I want you to know that it’s okay to love gay people. They don’t have a secret agenda. They’re not trying to destroy the world. They just want to be loved and to belong, like anyone else. They’re broken, but Jesus died for them. They’re exactly, 100% like you.
    I really, really would encourage you to befriend a gay person, or a gambler, or a woman who’s had an abortion, or a sex worker, or the millions of people we look down upon and judge. Just like I can be loved in spite of being a sinner, a liar, a murderer (based on the hatred thing), they can be loved in spite of their mistakes. Once you befriend them, get to know them, love them unconditionally and judgement-free like Jesus does, you’ll realize they’re just beautiful, wonderfully made, broken people, who wouldn’t need Jesus any less if they weren’t addicted to drugs, or a prostitute, or gay, or anything else.

  • WesB

    But did God draw us to Him or send Christ because we were righteous? When we came to Christ we were convicted of His holiness and recognized our sins. What about a non-believing homosexual then? Do we condemn them because they do not follow the same moral standard that we do? As Christ did for us, we need to draw them in with acceptance and love in order for the Spirit to convict them, not us.

    1 Cor. 5:12-13 “For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “purge the evil person from among you.”

    How can we hold a non-believer to our standard of morality? If they come to us and say, “What do I have to do to inherit the kingdom?” We should respond with, “Give up your life of sexual sin and homosexual lifestyle” and show them where God condemns said behavior. All we are to do is present the Truth, NOT enforce it.Will our condemnation save their soul?

  • WesB

    Are you referring to me or someone else? I assure you that I am not a homosexual if you are. There is only one Truth about homosexuality which is that it is a mockery of God’s original design and outright sinful behavior as the Word of God speaks. However, our nation is not a theocracy and we should not hope for it. Did Christ call us to build the kingdom on earth or is it a spiritual kingdom that will never be destroyed? Does God force us to His morality or give us the freedom to choose His righteousness?

  • On God’s Path

    You’re right, I didn’t find this site until then. I haven’t been deceitful.

  • On God’s Path

    I could go into a lengthy treatise here but I will be brief. There was no conceptual framework of sexual orientation when the bible was written so the term homosexual is a mistranslation. The Greek words often translated as homosexual are malakos and arsenokoita. Malakos means soft, effeminate, furry, or delicate and was often used to refer to men who dressed effeminately to attract WOMEN. Arsenokoita’s definition is not known but probably referred to economic exploitation which fits within the context of Paul’s list of thieves, greedy, robbers better than with sexual sin.

    As I said, I could go on. There are numerous theologians including: Marcella Althaus-Reid, Peter J. Gomes, Patrick Cheng, Mary Hunt, Laurel Schneider, Scott Haldeman, James Nelson, Sandra Longfellow, Kelly Brown Douglas, Daniel Maguire, Marvin Ellison, & Dale Martin to name a few. Further, there are Christian leaders and authors in the field of ministry such as: David Kundtz, Bernard Schlager, David Switzer, John Thornburg, Margaret Farley, Chris Glaser.

    The fields of liberation, feminist, and queer theology are moving theology forward, with the Spirit’s guidance.

    It is not unChristian to believe as I do. You are free to disagree but remember that I, too, am a beloved child of God. Shalom

  • WesB

    Haha Oh okay!

  • WesB

    I understand your frustration. However, you cannot force them to think otherwise and you cannot force fellow Christians on this page to be as zealous as you are. If On Gods Path & Tom Fiola choose to ignore Genesis 19:1-11, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Judges 19:16-24, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 Timothy 1:8-10, and Jude 7 that is between them and God. It is not our job to make them change but show them what God says about the matter and then love them. If they remain unrepentant, then as Paul says, “purge the evil one from among you.”

    Furthermore, when looking at these verses a clear picture is painted regarding God’s feelings on homosexuality. The belief that this lifestyle is okay because Jesus did not say anything about it is denying the divinity of the Son. If Jesus is God and God is Jesus then the Son shares the same feelings about homosexuality as the Father as they are one. Again, this is between them and God.

    Take heart John as God cannot be deceived by mans philosophy and wisdom. If they refuse to repent and do not see their lifestyle as sinful, then perhaps they are not true believers. Maybe they are and are battling themselves. Either way, the Holy Spirit will convict a truly repentant heart.

  • pjsr

    I’m thankful for this site that allows Christians – and others – to interact and even disagree in a civil manner.
    Like any other site, they delete comments that are personal insults and name-calling instead of discussion of the issues.

  • Pastor Weston

    No, that isn’t true. I followed these comments very closely last week. Not all of the comments deleted contained insults. Furthermore, homosexuality isn’t a Biblical grey area. To say Gods blessing is on homosexual behavior is falsely accusing God of promoting sin. If any comments should be deleted they are comments slandering the holiness of God. I see the results. I get thr mothers who sons are diagnosed with HIV

  • Pastor Weston

    I counted 15 comments deleted. There are at least that many more that have just disappeared from the page altogether.

    There’s no excuse. This site is a sham.

  • CL_Resources

    Pastor Weston, Please read our comment policy here: http://www.churchleaders.com/terms-of-use.html

    All deleted comments were in violation of these terms of use. We hope for our readers to engage in robust conversation and even debate, but to do so with grace and courtesy.

  • Guest

    I could go into a lengthy treatise here but I will be brief. There was no conceptual framework of sexual orientation when the bible was written so the term homosexual is a mistranslation. The Greek words often translated as homosexual are malakos and arsenokoita. Malakos means soft, effeminate, furry, or delicate and was often used to refer to men who dressed effeminately to attract WOMEN. Arsenokoita’s definition is not known but probably referred to economic exploitation which fits within the context of Paul’s list of thieves, greedy, robbers better than with sexual sin. There is more to it than simply translations but I will leave it at that.

    There are numerous theologians who do not see scripture as marking homosexuality as a sin including: Marcella Althaus-Reid, Peter J. Gomes, Patrick Cheng, Mary Hunt, Laurel Schneider, Scott Haldeman, James Nelson, Sandra Longfellow, Kelly Brown Douglas, Daniel Maguire, Marvin Ellison, & Dale Martin to name a few. Further, there are Christian leaders and authors in the field of ministry such as: David Kundtz, Bernard Schlager, David Switzer, John Thornburg, Margaret Farley, Chris Glaser.

    The fields of liberation, feminist, womanist, and queer theology are moving theology forward, with the Spirit’s guidance.

    It is not unChristian to believe as I do. You are free to disagree but remember that I, too, am a beloved child of God. Shalom

  • WesB

    Thank you for your response. My question to you would be this, how do you then interpret Romans 1:18-32? Paul clearly states that men and women engaging in sexual relations with the same sex is unnatural and sexual impurity. There is no use of ‘homosexual’ in this passage but rather the act thereof.

  • amos8

    A good word, Algoria, and I believe it will be sooner rather than later before we in the West will be treated at those 100,000 you mentioned.

  • joess

    Dear in Christ.
    I am Mrs MRS Joess planta Martin an aging widow suffering from long time cancer of the breast. i am currently admitted in a privet hospital in london, I have some funds I inherited from my late loving husband Mr.planta Martin, the sum of $3 Million (three million U.S. dollars) which he deposited in Bank Here and I need a very honest and God fearing Christian that can use this funds for God’s work and (Big%) out of the total funds will be for your compasation for doing this work of God. I found your email address from the internet and decid to contact you.
    I took this decision because I don’t have any child that will inherit this money and my husband relatives are not Christians and I don’t want my husband’s hard earned money to be misused by unbelievers. I don’t want a situation where this money will be used in an ungodly manner. Hence the reason for taking this bold decision. I am not afraid of death hence I know where I am going. I know that I am going to be in the bosom of the Lord. Exodus 14 VS 14 says that the lord will fight my case and I shall hold my peace.
    Please if you would be able to use these funds for the Lord’s work kindly reply me.
    Your Sister In The Lord.
    MRS Joess planta
    my contact address

  • Teretha Thornton

    There are too many ministries out there that really need funds to continue the work they have been called to do. You need to research and bless them. I thank you if this is a serious offer. If not you will be judged by God.