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Matt Chandler: You can take one idea and teach it in a way that’s irreverent and silly or in a way that leads to godliness.
Where to begin? The false dichotomy between topical and exegetical preaching? The ridiculous straw man argument he uses to throw thousands of church styles under the bus? The irony he calls out arrogance when this is one of the most smug and hollow 4 minutes I’ve watched on this site? This is an excruciating generalization that does no one any good and most certainly doesn’t prove his point. In fact, you could even make the argument that his little straw man sketch of satire actually did a better job teaching people to follow Christ by developing an attitude against debt than his spiritual-sounding chant that actually USED the name of Christ. Mr. Chandler, this particular clip is disappointing.
I agree. It’s funny…I actually don’t remember a single word from his method, but I do remember “if you have $4 and spent $7…that’s dumb.” Yes, we need to make Christ central, that doesn’t mean your style has to be arrogant and lofty.
Are you inordinately upset, brother?
Context is key even here. The whole sermon is very good, but to take out a clip with no other context just isn’t a good idea
Hey Matt…It seems like you missed the brothers message because you don’t get his style. I can only assume by reading your rant, that you didn’t actually listen to the end. I’m amazed at how many people on this site don’t have a clue how to understand satire. I believe that he’s calling out moralistic deism that so pervades the preaching and methods that churches use today. If that is the “methods” that you say he is “throwing under that bus” than high-fives all around because what he said is right. If you don’t teach people the gospel they have no foundation for them to be able to stand up on. You can give them the bracelets and bumper stickers and tell them to live for this kind of mission and all you’ve done is put them on the next treadmill and they don’t have the strength to keep up with your fitness program. The satire illustrates the massive opposite that is a teaching that connects the gospel to peoples fiscal responsibility. I thought he got his point across rather well. Josh is right though…you do need to listen to the whole sermon.
Wow, Matt. I guess I’m just not biblically educated enough to be able to detect the stuff you’re saying. Guess I’m not in competition with Chandler and not offended. For me, doctrine is always better than a topical message particularly if it is void of Scripture
The marks of a growing relevant church in Acts 2 were Apostolic doctrine, breaking of bread, fellowship and prayers. It seems that much ‘relevant’ and ‘hip’ preaching today (example: ‘Dealing with Debt’) is indeed presented in a way largely devoid of eternal truth that defines and sustains all life. Preach Christ and Him crucified: the forgiver of all debt – natural and physical.
I’d have to hear the whole message in context to render any opinion.
I say this as nicely as I can, and I am telling I have no ill will toward those who believe this way — but most preachers I have met that are “exegetical only” preachers tend to have a hint of arrogance in how they present their message. Just my experience.
He sounds like one of so many who believe their way is the best way, or worse yet, the only true way. Was he recommending preaching like he did in the second phase of the video? If so he’s way over people’s heads with his highminded presentation. Preaching that changes lives must have relevant application not just ‘spiritual sounding’ platitudes. Perhaps as he matures in ministry he will see that people cannot go anywhere if the road is not clearly marked. I’m just sayin’
Both of his examples would not help much for people in debt. The “debt is dumb” example causes people to realize debt is dumb, but only for superficial reasons. It also fails to practically help people out of debt. The second sounded much more “spiritual” but once again people may be convicted, but not sure how to change. So I say use the Scripture well and allow the Holy Spirit to convict hearts, then give those who are convicted an opportunity to begin change through the assistance of the church. Tell them why, tell them how, and let them know there is help available now. The first step is crying out to God for help and then allowing God to use His people to encourage and admonish you towards godliness.
Yes, but I believe that you have help peoples whole worldview change. Being desperate is one thing. Even practical steps don’t ultimately help. Their worldview needs help more than their income issues.
I enjoyed this. There is a real need for sincerity in our culture today. He’s not saying that we shouldn’t laugh and have a good time at church. He’s saying that we need to lead with a purpose. Take the bull by the horns and help LEAD people to the cross instead of mindlessly dancing around the important issues in such a style that lacks depth.
God’s grace and mercy on our lives doesn’t need props, if you read and see the evidence with in the text, God’s answer to debt is super clear, because what we say and do from our carnalness will nullify the power of God. So I agree with with the deliberate spirituality of the gospel of reconciliation than any prop of man’s thought and ambition,….. peace and love, brothers
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