Francis Chan Responds to CT Article on "Radical" Legalism

Ed Stetzer and Francis Chan discuss the critique on “radical” Christianity from a recent article in Christianity Today.

What are your thoughts? Is today’s “radical” Christianity a form of legalism or authentic missional living? Is the radical focus helpful or hurtful language for the Church today?

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  • Todd Molter

    If a disciple is a literal follower of Jesus Christ, then isn’t what we are calling radical simply (although not simple) biblical Christianity. Maybe less labeling and more living?

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.mcgowan.7399 Patrick McGowan

      Amen

    • Jake Elliot

      Living what? Radically?
      Define ‘radical’. It’s a great word to throw around if you operate from a postmodernist’s worldview.

      • http://www.randymeekjr.wordpress.com Randy Meek

        Define “legalism” I can’t help but think of Jesus’ words to His followers in Luke 6:46, “Why do you call me “Lord, Lord,” and not do what I tell you?” We can throw around these words, legalism and radical, all day long but in the end, one can not deny, if they believe in the Word of God, that we are called to a life different than the worlds. One that follows the commands of Jesus. One that is filled with works. One that leans on the Holy Spirits guidance and makes life decisions that society would view as crazy. That is both radical and legalistic. Let’s quit arguing and agree that the Christian life is supposed to be different from the world in every way.

        • amos8

          “Let’s quit arguing and agree that the Christian life is supposed to be different from the world in every way.”

          I agree that the Christian life should be different from the world in every way. This, unfortunately, presents many problems in that we cannot agree what that looks like, especially if we do not adhere to Scripture.

          Notice how trendy it is to morph the gospel into the “social gospel” (which, I believe, is the direction Chan is headed–although he may not quite fully be there at this point). Yet what is easier to spot is how many Christians believe in “social justice”! This is precisely what is increasingly popular in the world/liberalism. Nevertheless, many hip and trendy preachers/leaders are preaching SJ!! [which is exceedingly unbiblical, destructive, unloving, and even deadly]

          You mention, if not emphasize, “works.” Works are important, but, given the deceitful nature of our hearts, our propensity to fall for trends, our ease at which we fall into a “legalistic”/performance-based value system then we must be hyper-careful to accurately and abundantly explain how “works” are truly apart of the Christian life — AND HOW THEY ARE NOT A PART OF THE GOSPEL!!! Notice how many are making it a part of, if not fully, the gospel (e.g. social justice/social gospel). Furthermore Jesus, when asked about the works of God said: “The work of God is this: to BELIEVE in the one he has sent.”

          BY FAR the bigger problem in the true church is not a lack of works or “radicalism” it is false teachings that are accepted and taught in the church AND too few who will discern and do anything about it.

          • Kellen Wiersma

            You quote John 6:29 about “The work of God is this: to believe in the one He has sent.”
            Don’t forget Jesus was talking to Jews — If they believed Jesus was the one whom the Father had sent, it would have caused everything to change in their lives! (Radically you might say! ;) )

            It would mean that Jesus was their King; the Lord of their Lives –They would abandon themselves completely to the will of Jesus for He was sent by the Father as their Messiah!

            This in the end is what it means to “believe” — Christians need to stop kidding themselves that “to believe” in Jesus can be separated from a life of obedience and surrender to Jesus as Lord of our lives. (though of course this is a progressive thing)

            Jesus went on in John 8 to say to the Jews who “believed” in Him that they must now ABIDE in His word to be set free by the Truth.

            In the end I think this is what Chan is trying to get at. Too many Christians think that they are saved because they SAY they have faith–yet they live disobedient apathetic lives. James would say that “such a faith” (that does not produce works) is dead and is no saving faith at all…

          • amos8

            Kellen, I would say the broader context of 6:29 is about the temporal and eternal … more specifically, the Jews focus (and our focus) on the temporary and the expense of the eternal! They were “following Jesus” for fleeting reasons (healing the sick, getting fed) rather than eternal reasons (eternal life, forgiveness of sins).

            With that said, the main focus of “radical” living for many today is social justice/social gospel/changing our cities and society (which FC is drifting toward). God is, for more and more people, NOT a God of justice in eternity, but for temporary purposes (e.g. economic, social, etc). That is why defining this is crucial. The “Church” is not exactly on the same team!

          • Webby Oglesby

            this is a worthy discussion. Radical…yep, Jesus was! I don’t think Platt, Chan, or Idleman would say…all Am. Pew Sitters need to give it all up, go do something very uncomfortable…would that be good for the Kingdom? Oh yes! I do believe however, each disciple is called to live out the life of Jesus….everywhere!! I wonder where the “mission” of the Lord would be without the prayers and support($$$) of those “non-radical” disciples who are faithful to the cause of Jesus. I think we need to be careful to make any “movement” or “tradition” legalistic. We are all different by design…that is why every kind of person in this world can be reached for Jesus. You will reach those I can’t!! I think we all need to bloom where we are planted. I know God called me to preach the gospel…my concern is not whether we are “radical” enough…my concern is the truth! The cause of Jesus has been less effective by our “disunity” of teaching, than whether we were radical! When I read John 17…it gives me pause that in this world there are “churches”…not “the church”! Jesus taught and commanded one message…man changed the very basics of faith, repentance, and baptism. Those first century christians….had one message…one way to salvation…weep my brethren that this is not the case today!! Those first followers were so “radical” the world was turned upside down…why? Unity!! “One faith, One Lord, one baptism..” I believe when the truth of God’s plan is taught….in our “post Christian age”, that’s “radical”. Love ya, Webby

        • audie

          Legalism–The idea that one can earn salvation or anything else from God by keeping the commandments. The Pharisees thought they were right with God because they tried their darnedest to keep the commandments. The Christians at Galatia were being mislead into thinking that they could become better by adding works to their faith.

          So, please, now attempt to define “radical”.

  • amos8

    Could it be that BOTH Legalism and today’s notion of “missional living” are unbiblical?

  • uureverend

    Bonhoeffer: “When Christ calls a man, he bids him come and die.” Christianity is countercultural to the core. Who willingly signs up to suffer? Christians do, for the glory of God. Who takes care of the widows and takes in the orphans? Who stands up to the government on behalf of the poor and oppressed? Who shares a meal with the hungry, finds clothes for the needy, visits the prisoner and prays for “hopeless’ situations? Who loses his or her very life in order to truly find it? They will know we are Christians by our love. And that love should make us outcasts in a society (and in churches) that seek to maintain the status quo.

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.mcgowan.7399 Patrick McGowan

      Love this bro., that reminds of that scripture James 1: 26-27

      “26 If anyone among you[b] thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.”

  • Billy Tang

    BY God’s grace, we die to ourselves. Its soooo hard! Where do I start? By God’s grace. I’m in a stage of my walk that God’s call on my life is different to others. That’s okay. I still need to look both daily at what dying to self means and longer term vision of what that looks like.
    Just some thoughts on radical living. Where do we start (after prayer and surrendering our wills to God)? I believe a good place to start thinking about is: we should look honestly at what we have an abundance of. If its money, then think of ways to use that to bless others. If its time, think of ways to bless others. If its skills, then bless others.
    There may also be needs that pop up in the church that the Spirit leads us towards.
    It may also be that God needs us to stop things in our lives. Stop working so much to spend time with family. Or stop committing so much time and energy to training for a sport so that we can attend bible study or take the family out.
    Its radical because you died to yourself already, and now you’re living by faith in God’s Will.
    Don’t kid ourselves, we have more than we think.

  • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.mcgowan.7399 Patrick McGowan

    Amen all the way Bro. Chan, I believe in being all out for Jesus, I just pray for an opportunity to go and share this Gospel, if its being “radical freak” or (some other Title), all I care and all I know is I want to be a part of the fullness of Jesus Christ when I am in favor of His and under obedience to His will . God Bless and Peace my brothers….

  • audie

    That seemed like 4+ minutes of Chan not really answering the questions.

    • Jake Elliot

      He couldn’t answer it because he was mad. He says that at 1:40. You could tell that article got to him.

      • amos8

        Yes, I missed the answer as well. He may or may not be a legalist (depending on whose definition we are using) but he does seem to increasingly favor the social gospel. What confuses people, however, is that he was not always this way–so they will defend his old ways and not examine the new.

  • Jake Elliot

    The first time I watched Francis Chan, he was preaching at a church on Zaccheus the tax collector. I was stunned to watch him absolutely belittle the congregation, using legalism to say that Christians are not doing enough for God in the community. He came across as passionate, confused and blunderous with no clear understanding of the scriptures.
    I felt belittled by his message. He definitely pushed the social gospel message and missed the whole point why Luke included the account Zaccheus in his gospel. That article ‘The New Legalism’ was spot on. Francis Chan is too young to be a teacher and should just focus on the things that personally drive him to spread the love of Jesus.

    • gunnaringi

      Jake it depends on what you mean when you say radical, I’d say following Romans 10:9-10 would be pretty radical, making Jesus as Lord of our lives. Is that legalism? No that’s biblical.

      We are not saved by our works, but by the work of Jesus Christ on the cross, however to confess Jesus as Lord would be a pretty radical stance to take in modern society where convictions concerning anything at all have gone out the window.

      And to your objection that Francis Chan is too young to be a teacher, i’d tell you to read 1. timothy 4:12, because he fits the description. Heck, i’ve been teaching since I was 17 and am a pastor of a church at 24.

      There are no requirements in 1. timothy 3 or titus 1 about being a certain age but rather to be mature.

      And legalism to me is teaching morality because that way you get closer to God like every other religion teaches. He however teaches the grace of God and our response to the grace of God. He teaches that we don’t have to but get to.

  • kelly johnston

    The pursuit of holiness is a radical lifestyle. Giving 100% of yourself to God means all areas of your life is transformed by the Holy Spirit. Dying to self means God first in all things. Why does Chan have to defend the life God wants for ALL His disciples? FYI, there is a church that was birthed to proclaim this- Church of the Nazarene.

  • http://www.facebook.com/douglasreed28 Doug Reed

    It’s only legalism if you use what you do to earn God’s favor and grace. If you are doing things for God that is legalism. If you sell everything you have in hopes that God will love you more…that’s stupid and not what Chan is preaching. Chan calls all of us to do it not for God so we can earn some sort of spiritual gold star on the chore chart but “with” God. He says in his books along with multiple sermons that we are to follow Jesus at all costs. “All costs” for each person is different. For some it means we sell everything we have and move to botswana and for others it means faithfully serving our 3rd & 4th grade sunday school class by faithfully teaching the word of God and praying for our class. For others it is going to be serving their family and being salt and light at their work place and in their community. It’s different for each person.

    Francis just points out the natural human tendency of us all as well as the cultural lean of our society to do that which is easiest over that which God wants. His cry is for us to do what God has called us to do, period.

  • amos8

    The bigger problem in the true church, BY FAR, is not a lack of works or
    “radicalism”–it is false teachings that are accepted and taught in the
    church AND too few who will discern and do anything about it. (not to mention those who will save their ire and “radicalism” to attack those who dare discern and speak up).

  • http://www.KariDay.com/ Kari Day

    It’s all about “abiding” in Christ. We each individually need to be in such a relationship with the Lord that we can hear the Holy Spirit tell us WHERE we need to be radical. Is it in our family? Radically changing the way we interact? Is it in our workplace? I agree being a christian is about so much more than showing up to church on Sunday. We must radically view our life through the glasses of our relationship with Christ and what he wants to do through us. Maybe that’s selling everything and moving over seas…. maybe that’s actually talking to and sharing the gospel with those around you. But Nothing comes of any of it until what we are doing is out of obedience from what we individually hear the Holy Spirit say to us. Those who call this teaching radical do not truly believe the scriptures. They are not reading them. Because if they read it, they know that their life is about more than their day to day living, eating, and going on vacation. It’s about their intimate relationship with Christ and doing what he says to do. “Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me.” John 14:21

  • http://www.riverchurchcharlotte.com/ Derek Turner

    I think the “trying his best” comment sums it all up. These guys are imposing a “try your best” religion that is graceless and actually minimizes the complete and Radical work of Christ. I will embrace the “Radical” when I see how radical Jesus’ grace is for me. Everything else is works based religion.

    • ellie marshall

      Amen to your comment, nice to see someone really gets the finished work of the Cross. It is about His Worthiness not ours its about Grace not Works

      • http://www.riverchurchcharlotte.com/ Derek Turner

        Thanks Ellie!

    • Nick

      Thanks, Derek!! Grace seems so rare these days, even in ‘Christian’ circles. Whoever remembers the completely completed work of Jesus today! Salvation by grace is totally opposite to salvation by works. No compromise on that.

      • http://www.riverchurchcharlotte.com/ Derek Turner

        Thanks Nick!

  • Kevin

    We Christians just aren’t happy if we aren’t out there pointing out the faults in other people, are we? If we’re not pointing out someone’s sin (because it makes us feel good about ourselves), we’re saying they’re too radical for God (because it makes us feel bad about ourselves)! Enough of this pointing fingers at other people and saying that there’s something wrong with how they respond to God’s leading. Everyone’s walk with Father is THEIR walk with Him. If being led by the Spirit to do something that others view as “radical,” in a negative sense, it is quite likely that they don’t know what it is to be led by the Spirit, because He does lead people to do some pretty out of the box things, sometimes. That’s between that person and Him, though. “First remove the log from your own eye so you can see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” Maybe spend a little less time concerning yourself with what others are doing, or not doing, and a little more time considering your own relationship with God.

    • Ty Bradley

      Well said!

    • Troy Barrett

      Another spot on analysis! No stone throne here. By the grace of God.

    • Hersh, or is it Harsh

      Great point Kevin!!! In 2000 ( the year the world ended ;-O ) I was compelled to walk the length of California sharing my faith as a fairly new believer (7 years into my walk). I believed it was Lord led with all my heart. I did NOT want to do it and at times I went kicking and fighting and was drugged along by the Lord.

      Just about every week I was at a different church picking up my supplies that I had left early as I drove down to the border. I NEVER asked for anything other than a place to leave my supplies. Radical???? Foolish???? Crazy???? all I know is, I was and am super blessed by the Lord and very Very VERY thankful I walked as best I could in obedience to what I thought was His calling on my life at the time. It cost me almost everything except my sanity… (some days I wonder about that) That’s a joke.

      Before, during and after I still sense people’s “pointing fingers at other people and saying that there’s something wrong with how they respond to God’s leading” and there’s my point…. many people say what others do is not right to do.

      If we are known by our fruits, for those that watched me, the honest ones would say that my walk through California was a positive life changing experience that clearly STILL has a godly hold on me 13 years later.

      Simply sharing all the “coincidences” (God choosing to be anonymous) that happened along the way has been really fun. God works the way God wants to… and I for one am not about to tell God how or why He should. On the other hand, I do believe to speak up to those that makes claims like mine and check/watch for fruit….

      Those that knew me before and after the walk have been wonderfully shocked by how God can and did work in the life of a sinner saved by His grace.

      • Hersh, or is it Harsh

        OOPS…. that should be 7 years into my new FAITH not walk, as I was thinking walk of faith… sorry.

  • poppabrink

    Did I miss a longer version of this? Thought it was supposed to be a “response”? Seemed to be lacking in depth….

  • http://www.facebook.com/dldeeney David Deeney

    Not sure that the issue is the ‘being radical’, as I understand it. The issue is more about the labeling of someone who doesn’t do the same kinds of things – or who doesn’t ‘look missional’. For the individual, the pressure to outwardly perform acts of ‘being radical’ can become a legalistic post-modern phariseeism and a replacement for intimate discipleship – that is the pitfall I see. For myself, I’m on a journey to become more of what I was at the beginning of my walk with the Father – that is, authentic, intuitive and obedient out of LOVE and relationship with Christ – the dynamics here are multi-faceted and it is dangerous to take one side over the other, me thinks. The word ‘radical’ itself means, ‘back to the root’ (paraphrased on my part) – I would substitute the word ‘vine’ for the word ‘root’. We must be branches, linked solidly, always, to the Vine. That means giving expression in daily life – in every way – to the Word (Jesus). Man, I’ll admit, every time I type a word above, there are so many more layers that need to be peeled back than what we have time or room for here. Pray and obey. Love Him. Hate sin. Worship Him in work, play, relationships, thought life. Be genuine – be repentant. Be humble and love from a clear conscience.

    • Ty Bradley

      Great post! Agree wholeheartedly!

    • Troy Barrett

      David, you are a tribute to your name sake. Spot on analysis, and based on scripture. We make it so complicated.

  • http://gospellifenow.org/ Jeff

    The bottom line is Francis Chan nor any other Christian leader can determine where, when and how we should serve the Lord. His role is to point, mobilize and kick start ministry because he is a gifted shepherd.

    That being said, I do believe many of us are very distracted by worldly culture to the extent we struggle to discern God’s opportunities for us to grow and serve effectively. The whole world is a mission field, from our front step to the most remote villiage on Earth. The primary questions are who are you in Christ? What has the Spirit made you gifted or concerned about? And what steps are you making to be ready for divine opportunities?

    It’s not rocket science, its obedience. If it feels too much like obligation with no passion it probably is.

    – thoughts of a weary Church planter

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.fay.311 Tom Fay

    I find it astounding that in all this discussion only one person commented about faith and that was at the end of the discussion. Faith is what is radical. We seem to have reverted back to the Pharisaic practice of doing things to please God. It seems we are so intent to invent sideshows (i.e. missional) that make us look so pleasing, but are in fact so far from what God asks. Without faith it is impossible to please God.

  • Deana Callins

    Why are the poor so important to Jesus Christ; because we are The LOST in this world. Treated with so little regard. And given so little Respect. Our Lord, came to Save and Deliver us from this pain. To Give us a “Place” in heaven and peace on earth “By” his power. He is Righteous; In His Love; The Lost has Value and Acceptance In Him. Men are Held In High Esteem because of Riches. But, The Lord Regards ALL the things he has created.
    Amazing Grace!
    It’s a good thing not to be in the public’s “eye”. And Every fault broadcasted for everyone to see, hear, and have an opinion. We can entertain it and Become Quickly Judgmental, because it’s not us. We have our own faults, that we are not so QUICK to Judge ourselves or broadcast it around to everyone. Show Mercy always as we would want the same “Respect”. God Is All our creator And the only true “Judge” of ALL. He Knows all; even when know one else SEE the things we do.

  • Wayne Benn

    I am amazed at how we can’t be told anything by anyone anymore…..even when what they are saying is urging us on towards god. when my wife reckons I’m getting fat I can either stop eating cake or I can invent counter arguments and get a skinny mirror.
    It could be that my wife is self seeking, doesnt have a good working definition of ‘fat’, that she is trying to get one up on me…..or it could be that she loves me and that she is prepared to cross a line for me and call me fat. I love my wife and i love that she makes tough calls.
    I love chan and his message.

  • Youthpastorscott

    The primary focus here has to be that Christians must be surrendered to following Jesus. That means following His example of loving those around us and going wherever He leads.
    As a paid church staff member, I have had times in my life where if God called me to the mission field or to change positions, I would have felt bound by my bills and lifestyle. I have always said I would never keep a position for money. I know God can and will take care of me. But I also know that American Christianity is most often shallow and without much surrender materially. Maybe it’s just me…but I don’t think so.
    We should be responsible in our finances and lifestyle to the point that if God called us beyond our comfort zone or to rescue a family in need, it could be possible. The reminder and direction these men of God are giving should inspire us to rethink and reorganize our finances, priorities, and what our children are growing to accept as true Christianity. Faith is shown through surrender. Do we have faith? Then we should trust God to use us as He sees fit and we should prepare ourselves for whatever He may lead us to do…
    I pray we each find our calling from God and surrender to what He is doing in us and though us

    • http://gospellifenow.org/ Jeff

      I feel you. I have been paid to do work I would do for free for many years. I think taking care of church leaders is Biblical, but then so is a family model that didn’t include child care, health care bills, and other costs associated with living in America. People would laugh at my income, but God has provided and made room for my gifts (little as they are).

  • CJS

    Praying God’s protection and continued anointing over brother Francis, brother David and any others bold enough – and yet humble enough, to call out modern North American Christianity and what it has become to MOST professing believers.

    If it’s a bit different, or makes us a little uncomfortable, or makes us re-think or perhaps reconsider the Lord’s leading in some of our lives then we seem to quickly cry “works based” and “Pharisee” and the like.

    How does God move in the lives of those in Scripture? It seems obvious it is through the power of the Spirit – of course, as well as a willingness to set aside comforts, possessions, wealth, self-sufficiency and so on – all for the sake of putting Christ first and the life He calls them to. Why should that be any different for us?

    Through being challenged by men of God like Chan and Platt and through taking honest looks at the Scriptures that clearly speak on all of this, God has done a great deal of refining for our household and we no longer pursue comforts and possessions of the world (where moth and rust destroy) to the level we once did. Our financial picture has divinely been brought to a more reasonable and God honouring standard with flexibility to meet real needs around us and far away from us. Yet I know we are still a work in progress but progress involves actually stepping forward. In this case for us as believers, it’s stepping forward to trust God that He wants to use each of in amazing ways, wheverer He has placed us. And He asks us to let go of control and comfort and let Him guide and lead us – while He himself by His Spirit will be our joy, strength, peace and comfort.

    Blessings on you all and may we all allow God to take us to “Radical” new places in our faith journeys with Him. Christ told us not be surprized when the world hates us – to hate believers must imply that our way of life should look radically different and likely challenges the desires and lusts of the flesh that have become so normal in our NA culture.

  • Pat B

    There is no such thing as a RADICAL Christian. The “Christian” who chooses the word radical rather then what really is “being lead by the SPIRIT” is indeed one who has created a “christianity that is confortable to this world”. Creature comforts an the things money can bring you cannot let go of so you live a comprised life.

    You who are lukewarm, Your neither Hot nor cold, Thank you Brother Chan for allowing yourself to follow the Holy Spirit… You are desperately thirsty and have taken the steps that some refuse to take for fear of man
    and love of what money can bring. May you step onto Higher Ground as your heart desires. God said it.! He will give you the desire of your heart when you delight yourself in Him.~~~ You are, Brother Chan, what God is calling out, separating from the things that are superficial, because those things would have swollowed you up had you not listen to the leading of the Holy Spirit…..

    (American Christianity is no Christianity.
    Biblical Christianity is the only way truth and life).
    May you step onto Higher Ground as your heart desires. God said it.! Delight yourself in Him, Trust in Him, Seek Him First. He will give you the desire of your heart.~~~

  • Ric

    Radical Christianity is not possible. To imply that one can be a radical Christian would mean that we could more radical than Jesus. We are followers of Jesus. However, Jesus’ lifestyle and the way He lived out His life in relation to the Father, obedience and sacrifice, was radical when viewed through the lens of culture. It still is! There is no place on earth that culture and Christianity are synonymous. There never has been and there never will be until Christ returns and establishes His Kingdom on earth.

    Real Christianity will always appear radical to the culture. It is counter cultural. The strain for the Christ follower is kingdom living in the culture as opposed to the easier cultural living in the kingdom.

    I am thankful to those who are able to hold up a vision of authentic Christianity in the world today. I am where Paul is when he says, “Brothers
    and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But
    one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is
    ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.” (Phil 3:13-14)

    Jia You
    In China

  • bikeguy48

    Many are convinced few are converted…

    • Hersh, or is it Harsh

      I’m stealing this line as it speaks volumes!!! Thanks.

      • Airton Santiago

        There’s a commandment against stealing. :)

    • backcheck31

      I’m “stealing” this too! (unless you give me permission then it’s not stealing) LOL Thanks bikeguy48! God bless you~

  • wShannCap

    This is about REAL Christianity. It is about following the Holy Spirit. Be ready AND willing to do whatever Christ calls you to do. I also quit reading “Christianity Today”. For me, it had become so liberal that it wasn’t even Christian, it is “religious”.

  • Joe

    Why should we be so concerned about what Francis Chan is doing or saying and why the need to label him or his thought processes? If you don’t like or agree with him…don’t do what he is doing, but maybe pray for him; there’s a ‘radical’ idea. He isn’t our servant anyway.

    John21:21 WhenPeter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”22Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.”

    Our question, “Lord, what about Francis Chan”, here is a good answer…“What is that to you”? You must follow me”. Why get so taken with another person’s faith journey? I guess we should follow Jesus where we are today and pray for our brothers and sisters who are following Jesus as well.

    • Jonathan Jennifer Dale

      Out of 600 comments on here, Joe’s comment made the most sense. After Joe’s comment we should all go home now and run to Christ. I have a question for everyone: when was the last time you really spent time in the Word of God, and acting on faith on what you read, which is called worshipping God by the way. Following God is very humbling and very difficult actually. Desiring to show faith day after day, only to find yourself NOT in prayer, or NOT in the Word. Do you know what God REALLY wants? He wants us to transform the community and go out and change lives? Um, sorry no. He wants us to live in holiness. We are called to be separate FROM the world. Does not the scripture say this? It does in 2 Cor 6:17, “Wherefore come out from among them, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you. ” First let’s separate ourselves from worldly music inside our churches. We are not to copy the music of the world and say it’s okay and slap ‘Christiany’ lyrics to it and say, ‘everything’s Ok man… God accepts ALL’, which He doesn’t. The Bible says His way is narrow and few find it. And THAT’S just for starters. I have much more to say.

  • Edward Meno

    The Holy Spirit is What I depend on to guide me through all my life’s experiences. I no longer want to go back to that life of doing things my way or with my understanding. I am desperate for Jesus because I am lost without him, I stay on track and make good choices and God is pleased. All I have to do is ask in his name and he will intercede on my behalf. I will wait patiently and continue to Pray. Praise God! The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/meals.bonbon Meals Osias

    It sounds a bit funny that doing discipleship is considered as “radical Christianity.” Discipleship is an innate nature of Christianity, like having a kidney, liver or intestines or if compared to daily routine – like eating, taking a bath and washing dishes. It’s like a father telling his son “go and brush your teeth.” If the son takes on the habit and does it everyday, does he go “OMG, I’m brushing my teeth everyday now. How exceptional!” We can survive without it but the quality of our Christian life plummets. For example, we can still eat without a gallbladder but we have to visit the toilet more often or we can still survive without a kidney and have dialysis but we can’t go run wildly, row a boat or live as freely and actively. We can go days without brushing our teeth or taking a bath, but that expunges the feeling of cleanliness and freshness. Our salvation through the blood of Jesus sustains our Christian life but discipleship is the flavor, aroma, essence, tang or zest that makes our spiritual freedom worth the while. Just saying :).

    Everything we are, everything we do and whatever else we can be are all by the grace of God (so that no one could boast). I would leave the judging to God and do my part in blessing and praying as He has asked me to do. I once was once talking to a fellow brother who was criticizing the G-12. I told him, “I don’t think I’m in a position to say anything about it. When I have raised up millions of leaders, millions of disciples in Jesus who are discipling others as well all over the world, then I probably would have earned the right to give some insight. Until then, my greatest contribution is to pray for and bless them and do my best in my own sphere of influence.” Personally though, I keep dreaming big dreams for the Lord. After all, He is all powerful and almighty. It would be an awesome privilege to be used by the Lord to reach out to millions of people whose lives will be transformed by the blood of the Lamb. “If the size of your vision for your life isn’t intimidating to you there’s a good chance it’s insulting to God? This is a quote from Steven Furtick. Have a blessed happy Sunday everyone.

    • Warren Lamb

      Discipleships inherent in true Christianity, yes. Normative for Christianity in America today? Not.

    • Patsy Collins

      Much wisdom in this post !!

    • audie

      I rather well agreed with you, until you quoted Steven Furtick. And what is the G-12?

    • backcheck31

      And you were doing so well until that Furtick quote. Still, a lot of amening while reading this on my part. Thanks.

  • consumer87

    Controversy is good for business

  • Common Sense

    Good. Chan’s concern that the article (or the idea of the article) picking up steam can lead to people stepping back in their life for Christ is absolutely valid. Otherwise we would have no such thing as nominalism. His responses to the questions were encouraging.

  • John

    What is being “Radical” based? Is it based on doctrine, personal experience or because we live as Christ wants us to live? “To live out” is what we need today.

  • Shirley

    Wrong word because that is what liberals want to say Christians are radicals and STOP using words that are not in our vocabulary as Christians.

  • http://www.livingfaithchurchwi.org/ pastortim

    Tom Sine,
    in his book “Taking Discipleship Seriously,’
    says, “Jesus in His extremism insists that we surrender all our relationships,
    our resources, our careers, our futures-our total lives-to His lordship…In
    becoming Christian it appears that many of
    us have unquestionably attempted to layer our faith right over the top
    of the secular values with which we have been raised. We have simply accepted
    cultural expectations as largely unquestioned givens. For many, this business
    of following Christ seems to be placing a little “Jesus veneer” over middle- and
    upper middle-class lifestyles and their implicit values. That simply won’t
    work.”

  • Mathew Scott

    That is a normal Christian life, it’s a radical life; a supernatural radical Christian lifestyle is normal.

  • Pastor Pepper

    Many Evangelicals today think that Christianity has nothing to do with good works. That is not the case. While it is true that we are saved by grace through faith, that saving faith produces good works. Or else it is not saving faith (James 2). Jesus said that to be a disciple we must take up our cross and follow Jesus or else we cannot be disciples (Luke 14). Today, too many that claim the name Christian want to live like the world. We are to live like Jesus Christ and not like the world.

  • Bear

    To be spirit filled, Christ lead and servant to The master, is radical by todays standards. It will always be that way. Christ said, “the world will hate you for they hated Me first”.

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