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Pastor Thomas McDaniels shares a humorous story to illustrate the biblical principle of tithing.
Once the fries has been given, it is no longer yours. Acts 5 Peter said it was in your power to give. Tithing IS a NT principle, see 1 Cor 9. God made everything but He does not own everything. When I create a product and then sells it OR give it away, its no longer mine, I have relinquished all rights to it. However, BECAUSE God owns me, we were bought with a price, He has required us to give tithes and to not give tithes is the same as to not forgive as we have been forgiven. Tithing is not under the law and it is not an OT principle, it’s a principle of God and He has the right to require this from those who love Him. He is not going to stop loving you if you don’t honor Him but you will not have His fullness manifesting in your life.
I would disagree on that. I personally “tithe” in order to “fulfill all righteousness” and to “no offend my brother” because most churches follow the OT principle of tithing. And that isn’t an issue with me. As long as it doesn’t become something we HAVE to do, whether we want to or not. That is pure manipulation, and isn’t something churches should practice, OT or New.
God doesn’t require 10% from us. We are to “Love the Lord with ALL our mind, ALL our soul, and ALL our strength”. So God asks everything of us in our lives, but only 10% of our money? Not buying it. If you are truly following the great commandment as Jesus taught in the NT, then you won’t have an issue in giving. You will WANT to give….and give as much as possible. Maybe if churches stopped focusing on finding ways to get people to tithe and give (mostly based on modern business models) and focused MORE on teaching and following the great commandment and great commission in Scripture, there wouldn’t be a tithing or money problem at all…
i totally agree with Joe. @ Brian you need to straighten out your theology on what tithing is and what new testament tithing entails.
New Testament tithing? Doesn’t exist my friend.
it’s still exist my friend, look at Mark 12:17
Well Mark 12:17 doesn’t specifically state ‘tithing’ but regardless, this is still under the old covenant just as my response to Craig states. Many of the teachings of Christ do not directly correlate to the new testament Christian because we have been washed in Christ’s blood and set free from the law and the curse of the law.
In Matthew 23:23 of the NEW TESTAMENT Jesus says, – “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law–justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.
That’s wonderful but you have to understand that Jesus had not died yet, there was no new covenant established, so he is speaking to the Pharisees who are still under the law. The New Covenant in Christ does not technically start until the book of Acts (also in the latter part of the last chapters of some of the gospels once Christ has been resurrected into Heaven). In the same manner, in Luke chapter 5:14, Jesus tells the man with leprosy which he heals to ‘go show yourself to the priest and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for your cleansing’. Do we still show ourselves to priests and offer sacrifices when healed? Absolutely not because we are not under the Mosaic law. You have to understand when you are reading the synoptic gospels and the gospel of John that Jesus is speaking to a people still under the law. This is huge because it affects how you interpret the scriptures and proper interpretation is everything when reading God’s word.
You seem to be suggesting that the instructions Jesus gave before his death somehow became irrelevant or no longer applied after his death and that is very dangerous ground. If
you believe that, you can discount pretty much everything God taught us before Jesus’s death. If ALL scripture is God breathed as it says, and Jesus tells us to obey the father, as he does, then I am not going to let grace give me a green light to ignore
principles like tithing, which by the way is mentioned throughout the bible and is also the one and only thing God encourages us to test him in. Jesus said we are to fast also. What are your thoughts on that? I don’t believe these are salvation issues, but rather obedience issues, which are very important. Jesus himself says what matters is “did you obey my father”.
You conveniently ignored my comment regarding the man healed from leprosy about offering sacrifices and showing himself to the priest. Yes all scripture is God breathed-that means it was inspired by God Himself! That doesn’t mean that everything written is exactly for you now though. When interpreting and reading the Bible it is important to way into many different aspects such as: who is it being written to? What type of writing is this (poetic, prophetic imagery, historical narrative)? Is it Old covenant or new covenant? It’s not that Jesus’ teachings were irrelevant, by no means but, you have to weigh what was taught with regard to the fact that He had to support the law at that time because He had not yet shed His blood to redeem us from the curse of the Law. To not take that into account is erroneous and bad Bible interpretation. The book of Malachi is written to a people (more accurately the priests) under the Old testament law-same thing. People like to point to the pre-law Abrahamic tithe (one time) and then relate it to the exhortations from the book of Malachi. That’s crazy, the book of Malachi takes place under the law. Why would the Lord be rebuking them for something mandated by the law but be referencing something supposedly pre-law and also post-law. That’s like me going to another Old Testament book and pulling out scripture telling me to sacrifice animals and then saying I have to do it because all scripture is God-breathed! Cmon man that doesn’t even make common sense! I used to think the same way for years after I first became a Christian but as I studied the Word for myself and how to properly interpret the scriptures, I realized that the tithing teaching is totally false and that if I hadn’t been brainwashed into the few pro-tithing arguments I would never even have come to that conclusion by reading through the Bible.
Well let’s just agree to disagree. I would rather err on the
side of following Jesus’ instructions and be wrong than disobeying them and being wrong. My conviction on this topic
has come through much prayer, fasting and studying of God’s word, not what some preacher told me. I also base my beliefs
on the fruit I see in the lives of the people that do tithe and the financial difficulties of those that don’t. And yes, I do think it would be appropriate to give God an offering for a healing even today. No need for us to debate this further though. You won’t change my mind, and I won’t change yours. Just pray that God will reveal his truth to
us all on this topic. Blessings to you!
Well said brother. It’s not a topic on which salvation hangs and you are my brother in Christ. Blessings to you as well and may Christ be glorified in both our lives!
Craig are you a follower Of Jesus or Moses? have you read the book to Hebrew? where the law was that was done away with. Ben
Michael is clearly referring to the law of Moses, the Old Covenant, have you not read Romans, Galatians or Hebrews – how can you not understand this. We are no longer under the curse of the law.
God was not encouraging me and you to test him in tithing, he was encouraging Israel. Read the curses and blessing in Deuteronomy, this is what God is referring to and throughout the OT this is referred to, when Israel transgressed the covenant law they were punished and when they repented God blessed them again. This is the curse of the law which Paul is referring to, and so does Daniel when he states Israel is under the curse and this is what Malachi is prophesy about, you need to read Nehemiah when you read Malachi to understand what is going on.
Sadly Craig you are ignoring the principles of tithing as you have no concept of biblical tithing. The modern monetary system of tithing has no biblical support at all. Jesus was condoning tithing as under the law of Moses, have you ever bothered to read what tithing is under the law. Are you aware that there were three tithes and how they worked? Are you aware that in all three cases tithing was never money but agricultural produce (food), which Jesus confirms when He says you tithe your mint, anise, cummin, rue and all manner of herbs (see Matthew and Luke). The Pharisees had become so ridiculously religious that they were even tithing herbs when we the law only mentioned more substantial agricultural products. Are you aware that the first tithe had to be taken to Jerusalem during the feasts and that the tither had to eat his tithe before the Lord. Yes, you keep your tithe and eat it before the Lord in celebration of His blessings. If you are being biblical and obeying what the system of tithing condoned by Jesus in Matthew the are you eating your own tithe before the Lord (or do you give money to your church – thereby disobeying your Lord and Saviour). In fact, according to the first tithe law, if your tithe is to heavy and to much for you to be able to transport to Jerusalem then you are permitted to sell your tithe (which is food) for money, then on arriving in Jerusalem you are instructed to use this money for whatever your heart desires, for any food and drink you desire, and then you are to eat this before the Lord during the feast in Jerusalem. The second tithe is a yearly tithe and requires you to give a tenth to the Levites, again the bible is very clear that this is not money but agricultural produce and if you have studied your Bible you will understand why. The law then instructs that after the levites have received the tithe from the congregation of Israel that they must in turn give a tithe of a tithe to the Lord, but that the Lord’s portion must be given to the priests (so they get 1% of the peoples tithe) and this is what is goes into the temple storehouse along with the offerings. Are you doing this? If not you are not obeying what Jesus was condoning when he responded to the Pharisees. In the modern system who are the Levites and who are the priests, and what biblical support can you give for how we have distorted clear biblical teaching. The third tithe took place every three years and required that the Israelites gave their yearly tithe to widows, orphans, foreigners and the Levites, again it is very clear that this is agricultural produce and states that the reason the third year tithe goes to these people is so that they can eat before the Lord. Is this how you are tithing, because if not then you are not obeying what Jesus was referring to as He is clearly referring to tithing as found in the law. But we are no longer under the law, but under the covenant of Jesus.
Like you say, tithing is mentioned throughout the Bible, but have you ever taken the time to read what tithing was. In my comment above I have included every scripture that mentions the words tenth, tithe, tithes and tithing, I plead with you have a look at these, to study them and pray about them. We are told to test everything. You are not practicing biblical tithing but a man man monetary system of tithing that has had to twist a lot of scripture to try and get people to fall for the deception. We are to give, and their evidence of gathering offerings (and not necessarily money), but the modern system of tithing has absolutely no biblical support.
You may continue to give your 10% “because God commands you to do so.” I will continue to give MUCH MORE than 10%, because I WANT to.
I think my theology is fine…
You don’t think tithing is under the law and an Old Testament principle?? Really? I would guess that you’ve never read the Old Testament then because it’s clearly given in the law and two examples of tithing before the law was given-neither of which are proof of New Testament believers being mandated to tithe. Circumcision was before the Law as well with a much greater emphasis than pre-law tithing and it was hotly refuted by the Apostle Paul in his epistles. Why on earth would tithing carry over if circumcision doesn’t? Problem is, so many churches now a days teach the ‘mandate’ of the tithe that scores of believers hold to this outdated principle. Honor the Lord with all that you are, freely give and keep an open hand to all that you own, let your life be a sacrifice of praise, deny yourself to follow Him and preach the Word. It’s that simple.
Tithing was before the Law as Abraham tithed and there is nothing to countermand such a practice. If you have such a problem with that then let’s go to Living Giving like the widow’s mite or live off of 10% and give God 90%. There is no such thing as Grace Giving. The verses for giving to the poor are misused by tithers and grace giving alike. Context, context, context. Tithing was not broke and did not need to be fixed. Why do we always take what God made easy and try to make it hard or explain it away. O, scribes and lawyers? We are so afraid of our false definition of legalism that we often become Pharisees by rewriting the Word to suit our trends or Sadduccees by flat unbelief.
I have no problem if Christians believe in tithing. I DO have a problem when Christians give ONLY the tithe, because that’s all God asks of them. The is not a Biblical concept, no matter your view on tithing…
Grace is greater than the law, therefore under grace, we should do more than tithe. Not only that, if you read the OT, you will find that they did not just tithe…there were many other offerings they gave. On top of that, their tithe was more of a tithe of their total assets rather than their earnings.
if we’re under grace then why try to mix it with law? was the law of tithing given to jews or gentiles? do we prefer a tithers blessing or a cheerful giver blessings. what part of ” it is finished ” don’t we understand?
My gosh here we are debating over 10% when people souls are being lost by the second.
Grace grace grace and more grace.
This is good … but I heard Rick Warren give the “fry” illustration several years ago, but it’s still relevant.
Tithing is more than just the giving of money. Stewardship is taught in the new testament. It means all we have is given to us by God no matter what it is. For some strange reason we think of giving to God only in terms of money. It also must involve our time & talent as well. Some of us cannot give very much of our finances to the work of God & I believe God understands our situation. He then gives the liberty to give of our time & talent to his work. We must be open to allow God to take from us what he desires. That is true stewardship.
Jesus said we should tithe (Matthew 23:23). God doesn’t need our money. He wants our heart. When we give him our money which means so much to us, he sees that our love is real, that he means more to us than those things we could have had with that money. We can say we love him, but words come cheap. Tithing is an act of worship, obedience, and a way to show our love by an action that comes with a cost. God set the greatest example of this principle by allowing his son to die on the cross for our sins. The love he showed to us came at a great cost.
If God has our heart, then He has our wallets also…and EVERYTHING in them.
If you want to believe in tithing as a NT principle, that’s fine. But it is wrong to think God ONLY wants 10%, and it’s also wrong to give it because you HAVE to give it.
But if you want to cheerfully give your 10%, and other offerings as the Lord leads, then go for it!!
Why wouldn’t I believe that tithing is a new testament principle if Jesus himself tells us to tithe as he does in Matthew 23:23? I also did not say that we are only to tithe. This is a discussion about tithing, so that is what I was addressing. Tithing is the beginning of giving and what we owe God, hence why he says we are actually robbing him if we do not (Malachi 3:8). Our offerings are above and beyond that.
Craig I do not know you at all you quoted math. 23-23 are you a pharisee, a hypocrite Jesus was rebutting the religious
hypocrites who like to show them selves as a bunch of unholy men. they loved to tithe but do not love mercy and grace.
do not tell me that Jesus tithed. no!!! this was a discus sen on the hard heartless of the religionists men. You are dead wrong. read gal. chapter 3 those who follow the law of Moses is cursed.because there is no faith in Christ Jesus. i supposed you gave your earthly father 10% of everything he gave you while you lived in his house? can any one show me any scriptures where Peter and any other apostle tithed. since Paul wrote most of the bible where does he say tithe.
as for Stewardship= one who manages anther’s property. I am a co- inheritor with Christ Jesus are you? I am a son God through the blood Of Christ, did you who believe in tithing have a family that you belonged to, did you have give back to your parents what they provided you. God i feel bad for you. the law of tithing was to give to the priests because they had no inheritance, read the bible don’ let some else tell you what it says. are we not a royal priest hood, thats what Peter said. when the high priest in the old testament received the tithes from the people who did they tithe to? those of you who tithe are trying to please God and can’t do it, one, the free gift of eternal life was and is still free. where is the place that our Lord put His name on it to bring my tithe is it the local church and if so which one of the million churches is the best one, oh you say the church that i attended. ok this week I made a lot of money and gave 10% the next week i did not so well, will the church that I attend will it give back some of the tithe? just wondering. If you so called leaders who are living of the tithe of the people have as much faith in the God that you preach on why than do you need tithing. Leaders it is called faith In Jesus that is why the law of Moses kills. My name is Ben a son of God and I am very thank full Jesus paid my price free and willingly
Dear TS, note that Abraham Tithe on the spoil which he got out of the work he did. You said it right please get a bit of understanding of what you yourself had written. Abraham, Tithe on the spoil- what he got out of the war. What do we tithe on, our income, what we are paid at the end of the month, the spoil was an income for Abraham. He didn’t even get home to decide but straight away gave to the High Priest when he came into contact with him. . Can we emulate the faith of the father of faith.
Unfortunately you have a poor understanding of biblical tithing and no biblical understanding of what Malachi 3v8-12 is referring to, and it is mainly the fault of bad teachers. Please read my comment above, I have included a list of every scripture in the Bible that mentions tenth, tithe, tithes and tithing. Once you look at these you will better understand what Jesus was condoning and what tithing actually means biblically. The Bereans were acknowledged for checking everything out in the Scriptures first before believing Paul, and we are also instructed to test everything and to hold on to that which is good, but sadly we do not do this today, we just believe what we are told, we do not search the Scriptures and sadly many Christians today do not even read their Bibles at all.
The Revelation of the Holy Spirit!
Is The Vessel (Spirit & Soul) that your Body(Is a Host) carrying; Full, of the fullness of Christ anointing Or Empty, being drained (by) the devil of the Riches of Chirst?
The Antynum for ‘Full” is: empty, “Exhausted”, insufficient, inadequate, void. Exhaust (to draw out, to empty, drain, to tire out, to consume strength, “Wear out”, Deplete, to ‘Use’ up, Tired).
These are all strategy of the devil is to AT’Tempt to “TAKE” from (you) the “riches” of his power The Spirit of the Lord has given (you). Our Treasure/Riches in Christ Is our strength, peace, love, and joy IN the Lord.
Daniel 7:25 And (he the devil) shall “Speak” great ‘words’ Against the most High, and shall (Wear Out) the Saints (Of) the Most High, and “Think” to Change times and laws; and (they) shall be given into his hand “Until” A Time and times and the dividing of Time.
7:26 BUT the judgment SHALL Sit(Christ), and They Shall “Take” Away (his) dominion; to consume and to destroy it unto The End.
Revelation 13:6 And (he) Opened his “Mouth” in blasphemy Against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and (them) that dwell in heaven(you who are seated with Christ in heaven; as he Is -so are we in him).
13:7 And it was given to him to “Make War” with the Saints and to overome them:
12:7 And the serpent(being a Spirit) spewed out of his ‘Mouth” water(words, accusaions, assaults, cursing) after the woman (the bride of Christ), that he might “Cause” her To Be Carried Away of the Flood(with the words from his Mouth).
The devil is hidding behind someone who allows him to use them (with their mouth) against God and his people. So Be Strong In The Lord and WATCH and listen to what your Saying and Thinking. May God Bless the Saints of His people WHO Love Him(Being The Word) and HIS people.
Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth. Proverbs 4:4-6
wonderful message to all
Tithe? One tenth? Why not two, three tenth, as our government routinely takes up to five or six tenth for their power?
Why tithe? to Whom? for Whom?
Tithing is not for the New Testament church. It was not a given as some Christians preach or teach. When Jesus mentioned it, it was because He was still under the Law and He was rebuking the religious nuts of His time. Tithing only came from the herd or plants, never money even though in Moses’ time, money existed. I would like to send anyone who is interested on the topic of tithing a paper I wrote about tithing for school. Context is the issue. Paul never mentioned tithing, so was he preaching a different Gospel than the one Jesus preached? If tithing is a principle, then it will work with anyone, even atheists. Jesus could not have tithed because He did not own cattle or land. Before throwing rocks at me for what I am writing and before judging me as a heretic, let me send you the paper and think for yourself. The primitive church did not start tithing until the Council of Macon, about 500 years after the church was born. My email is firstname.lastname@example.org
Giving, praying, and fasting are expected to be done as Christians under the New Covenant. The New Covenant did not come into effect until Jesus died.
Yes, you have your theology right. Thomas, notes that tithing was an O.T. principle so therefore we should start at ten percent. Giving is the O.T. principle not tithing—that is why there is no mention of tithing in the N.T. just the principle of giving, and it can be all sorts of giving it does not have to be money, it can be time, talents, or just a listening ear.
In addition, there is no command to give every Sunday or even to your local assembly.
It amazed me how many people claim to love God but won’t give Him dominance over every part of their life… I have given the tithe out of love… not duty for most of my adult Christian life… I have also given offerings, cars (that I could have sold and taken a great vacation with), money to projects, alms and on and on…. giving is part of who and what we are… so yes, giving a “tithe” to God and His church (He said it was for the running of his house) Malachi 3…… “so there might be meat in mine house”… and to take care of ministry teams (pastors, etc.)…. What’s the big deal???? Why so many arguments… KEEP YOUR MONEY IF YOU ARE IN THAT MINDSET!!!!
The New Testament says:… “Each man should decide what he will give and he should give it cheerfully.. because God loves a cheerful giver”… NEVER did it even assume that the verdict would be “not to give”!!!! The New Testament also said that the early converts “sold all the possessions they had and brought to the money and laid it at the apostles feet”! (Acts). Paul said that; “if you sow sparingly, you will reap sparingly”… no I am not one of those guys who mis-use that scripture. Paul was simply stating that the entire principle of Christianity and “life” for that matter is a sow and reap type understanding.
Jesus said that he did not come to “abolish” the law, but to fulfill the law! He went on to state than anyone who broke the law and taught anyone else to do so would be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But he also said that anyone who kept the law and taught others to do the same would be the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven. So what does that mean???? We know that we are not bound to the law… but Jesus taught us to “keep the law”! Jesus was simply saying that the law (Old Testament) was the “BEGINNING POINT” for us to model ourselves after. In fact, many Old Testament scriptures were quoted in the New Testament! The Old Testament is a “beginning” place for us to start serving God out of love and not just duty!!!! So my friend… if you don’t want to give.. DON’T!!! I am sure that someone else will be used to reach others with their gifts of time, talent and yes money to the ministry!!!! The Old Testament is a guideline to us… and the tithe is definitely a starting point… but there is so much more!!!!
Very well documented Steven, I feel you we’re indeed empowered by the Holy Spirit . It was God’s Spirit upon you.
Tithing is certainly mentioned in the New Testament, in Heb. 7:8-10 “And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.” From the above scripture, you will notice that even the Levites that received instruction to collect tithes also paid tithes as a proof that God liveth forever more.
ITS VERY EASY TO KNOW A SUCCESSFUL CHRISTIAN AND THE ONE THAT IS STRUGGLING. TITHING MAKES THE DIFFERENCE. HOW DO WANT GOD’S BLESSING IN YOUR LIFE IF YOU ALWAYS WANT TO TWIST HIS WORD WITH A TWISTED MIND. YOU MUST REALLY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH MONEY JUST THE WAY CAIN HAD ISSUES WITH THE SACRIFICE
You seem quite zealous about your position Eliot. Please consider this: Tithing was a command of Jesus – the Word of God (logos) i.e. the Voice that spoke with Moses. (Reference the Church Fathers). It was an expected part of Covenant life with YHVH. It didn’t need to be confirmed in the “New Testament.” But Jesus did it anyway: Matt. 23:23 – “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.” Did you see that Eliot? “These you ought to have done.” You may simply be unaware that our sages
allowed for a monetary equivalent in the first century CE as our Rabbis do now. But I don’t think I will convince you. So I have but one question? Do you follow the early Churches’ clear practice? Do you give all you have to your church leaders and allow them to hand out funds as they see fit? Acts 4:34b-35
Where did Paul teach the gentile church in the New Testament about the tithe?
After all…they would not have had any knowledge of the Law.
Command of Jesus? no… that’s a stretch. He wasn’t teaching on tithing the whole point of His comments was that there were more important things than the legal requirements. He was addressing their heart.
In the verse you are referring to (Matthew 23:23) Jesus says “Yes, you should tithe”. Why do people try so hard to disbelieve something that is stated so clearly? Yes, he also referred to things that were of “greater importance” in the same verse, but that does not diminish the fact that he said “Yes, you should tithe”.
Tithe to whom? Why one tenth, when ten tenth is the point?
There has been a lot of arguing about whether or not tithing is a New Testament practice, or whether as gentiles, we are exempt from tithing. But this is a nonsensical argument. You can argue all day about tithing, but that’s not what we’re commanded as Christians. The fact of the matter is that the New Testament principle and command is not that we are to tithe, but that we are to give, and give, and give, and give some more. We are to give SACRIFICIALLY! Tithing is not sacrificial giving, giving a tithe plus that money you were going to spend on a new dress (I.e.) is sacrificial. So unless you are giving sacrificially, please stop arguing about tithing. Because the truth of the matter (and I speak from 40 years experience in the church), that the only ones who consistently argue that tithing is not New Testament, are those who aren’t giving period. It has been my experience that those who are truly following Christ are the one who don’t argue about tithing, because not only are they tithing, they’re giving above and beyond.
But we are commanded to watch out for false prophets and false teaching and to follow the doctrines taught by Jesus and His disciples and to stay clear of anyone teaching doctrines that go against their doctrines. In fact 2 John has some harsh words concerning this. It is no coincidence that Jesus, Paul, John, Peter and James all gave warnings of false teachers and doctrines and spoke of them coming from within the church – like the prosperity gospel, emergent church and Lakeland Revival/Toronto blessing.
I can just as easy state that in my experience the only ones arguing that tithing is New Testament are those that follow the prosperity gospel and desire to be rich here on earth while ignoring the words of Jesus and the teachings of His disciples. Marci, people who truly follow Christ will not be taken in by deception. I know people who love the Lord sincerely and tithe put yet are always poor and struggling, and others that are poor and struggling who are tithing mainly in hopes of becoming wealthy yet they seem to not really be in the faith. I know wealthy Christians who do not tithe but give freely and sacrificially and are continuously blessed, as do I know wealthy Christians who tithe that are also blessed. But at the same time their are wealthy people that preach tithing and how blessed they are because they tithe yet they bear no fruit, cut corners in their businesses and cheat their taxes. Their is no magical formula, God looks at our heart and our reasons for giving, many tithe ignorantly not having really studied biblical tithing (as mentioned in my post above) but they tithe because they love God and God sees their hearts and others don’t tithe at all but love God and love His people and make huge sacrifices with what they have. I had my eyes opened many years ago, and I am blessed. I am wealthy beyond compare, but own almost nothing, I do not even own a car anymore. I agree, give, give, give and give sacrificially, but be obedient to God’s will. We are instructed to care for our families and those within our church first. If we have poor members within our church groups and we ignore them but pay tithes we are like the Pharisees Jesus addressed in Matthew & Luke and who he mentioned in His parable in Luke.
You nailed it Marcie!
couldn’t agree more, those are true words. those who speak against tithing are not givers! they have tight purse when it comes to the kingdom work.
My experience exactly. The biggest arguments against tithing come from non givers. As a pastor for 35 years it still amazes me that people will attend every week, expect good progressive ministry for themselves and their kids, and not give. Why are we so reluctant to confront this sin?
The above video really saddens me and reading some of the comments below really saddens me. Most people are just repeating what they have been told or taught but what is sad is that most of you have never actually done a study on tithing for yourselves. One of the commentators claims to have fasted and prayed but their conclusion seems to be affected by the prosperity gospel and this person has obviously not checked their Bible to see if what they are being taught is true. The system of tithing as practiced by churches today (although apparently only 40% of Christian churches practice tithing – not sure how this stat was reached) has no Biblical support.
Here is a list of every passage of Scripture that mentions the words tenth, tithe, tithes or tithing – within the order they appear in the Bible. Please note that for context entire passages that mention the idea of a tenth or tithe are provided below, the verses in brackets are the actual verses within each passage that mention the words; tenth, tithe, tithes, tithing: Genesis 14:1-24 (20), Genesis 28:20-22 (22), Leviticus 27:30-34 (30,31,32), Numbers 18:8-32 (21,24,26,28), Deuteronomy 12:5-28 (6,11,17), Deuteronomy 14:22-29 (22,23,24,28), Deuteronomy 26:11-15 (12,13), 1 Samuel 8:1-22 (15,17), 2 Chronicles 31:1-12 (5,6,12), Nehemiah 10:35-39 (37,38), Nehemiah 12:44, Nehemiah 13:4-13 (5,12), Isaiah 6:11-13 (13), Amos 4:4-5 (4), Malachi 3:8-12 (8,10), Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42, Luke 18:9-14 (12) & Hebrews 7:1-10 (2,4,5,6,8,9).
I beg you brothers and sisters to read all of these passages and to consider the following:
1. Abraham did not tithe any of his own belongings but only the spoils/plunder as confirmed in Hebrews 7. If you still doubt this then please read Genesis 13-14. Lot chose the fertile lands of the plain of Jordan to the east while Abram settled under the trees of Mamre in Hebron (Gen 13v18), look these up on a bible map. When Lot was kidnapped by Chedorlaomer and the other three kings, these kings also plundered the cities of the plain (Gen 14v11-12) and took their goods. Someone manages to escape and finds his way to Abram and informs him of Lots escape, so what does Abram do, does he pack up his tent and gather his family and all his belongings and give chase? No! Time being of the essence, an obvious assumption, he selects 318 of his trained servants, arms them and gives chase as far as Dan (Gen 14:14) – look where Dan was situated on a biblical map of that era. It is north of Jerusalem and Galilee and very far from Hebron. In verse 15 Abram’s servants divide up and even head further north as far as Hobah. In verse 16 we read that they rescue Lot and his family and goods as well as all the goods plundered from Sodom and Gomorrah. Then they return south, it is on Abrams return trip that he meets Melchizedek in Salem and tithes the spoils (as mentioned in Hebrews, and which makes sense when reading what had transpired as all Abrams possessions are still in Hebron). Thereafter he returns the remainder of the spoils back to who it originally belonged. How do we know that Abram returned to Mamre and still lived there after the Lot incident, read Genesis 18v1, years after the above event the Lord visits Abram at his home in Mamre.
2. Many prosperity preachers teach that after Abram tithed that God blessed him financially and that then he became wealthy, this is a lie. God did bless Abraham – He gave Abraham a son and made Him the father of many nations – see Gen 12v1-3 concerning God’s promise to Abram. But, Abram was wealthy before he tithed, read Genesis 13v1-2 and consider Genesis 13v6.
3. Noting that Abraham tithed the spoils from Sodom and Gomorrah to Melchizedek, consider the following, Numbers 31v25-54. The Law of Moses contained laws pertaining to the spoils of war. In verse 28 God instructs that from the men who went out to battle a tribute of 1 out of every 500 (1/500th) be given to Eleazar the priest as a contribution to the LORD (see verse 29). In verse 30 God instructs that from the people of Israel’s portion 1 out of every 50 (1/50th) be given to the Levites who keep guard over the tabernacle of the LORD. Abram’s tithe was a once-off tithe only of the spoils of war, not his own personal belongings. The idea of a “tenth” or “tithe” in Genesis 14:20 has nothing in common with tithing as under the Law of Moses, and if it did then why would God not be consistent in continuing this practice of giving a tenth of the spoils (if this is truly an eternal principal) to the priests when He introduced the laws concerning the plunder gathered during war, which as has been pointed out was a 50th and a 500th and not a tenth.
4. Please also note that prosperity preachers claim that tithing is an eternal principal as it occurred before the law, under the law, and after the law. Technically this is wrong as the law was only fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross and Jesus had to obey the Law (of Moses, not the extra stuff added by the religious hypocrites later) so that he could be presented as a blameless, spotless sacrifice. But, by using this logic we are presented with the following problems, circumcision was before the law, under the law and after the law, so is obeying the sabbath, these are obvious to find in scripture, but what is not so obvious and overlooked is that so is animal sacrifice. It is practiced before the law, under the law and then condoned by Jesus in Luke 5:12-14 when Jesus cleansed the leper. To understand exactly what Jesus was instructing the leper to do when He said “go and show yourself to the priest, and make an offering for your cleansing, as Moses commanded, for a proof to them” read Leviticus 13:1-3 and Leviticus 14:1-32 (this passage covers exactly what the leper would of had to do according to the Law of Moses, and this is what Jesus is referring to). The eternal principal theory is unbiblical, as the Bible says nothing of the sort and holds no water when considering the above.
5. When Jacob uses the word tenth in Genesis 28v22 he is making a conditional vow. This is a much debated subject, but I would ask you to read the entire life of Genesis and consider Jacobs actions throughout. Jacobs vow starts with the word “if”, this is H518 in the Strongs Concordance. Using E-Sword do a search on the word “if”, now look for every time the word “if” is marked as H518 (as there are 3 or 4 different “if” words). Note that H518 is always used conditionally, and consider the following passages that us “if” (H518); Judges 4v8 & 6v17 & 6v36-40, 1 Samuel 1v11 (see v27 for aftermath), 2 Samuel 15v8-9 – note that the last two examples in 1 & 2 Samuel involve vows. Did God do what Jacob asked? Yes! In the end Jacob returned to his father’s house in peace, his brother forgave him and he saw his father, Isaac, before his (Isaac’s) death and God did feed and look after him up in the years that he was away from his fathers house. Jacob of his own free will made a personal vow to God to give a tenth to God of all that God would give him if God would be with him, protect him, clothe him and feed him so that he could return to his father’s house in peace. Do we ever hear of Jacob tithing when he returns to his father’s house? No! Do his children mention it? No! But the nation of Jacob/Israel is instructed to tithe, but only when they reach the promised land. Was this God’s way of ensuring that Israel’s (Jacob’s) descendants honored his vow, not sure, it is a debated topic.
6. When reading all the passages that reference tithing within the Law of Moses, the passages in Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, consider the following; the tithe is clearly agricultural produce and not money. The tithe is to be eaten by the person presenting the tithe within the place that God chose to place His name (the city of Jerusalem – see 1 Kings 11v36 & 2 Chronicles 6v6). There was more than one tithe. This is also debated, but generally it is accepted that there were three tithes and really speaking this would amount to about 23.3% of ones agricultural produce (note the words produce, and tithe of the land and herds and so on – the tithe under the Law is clearly something edible). One tithe was taken to Jerusalem during the feasts where it was eaten (as it was agricultural produce) by the tither before the Lord, note that God even instructs that if the tithe is too much for the tither bring to Jerusalem then the tither should sell their tithe for money, the tither must then bring this money to Jerusalem and use the money for whatever the tithers heart desired (Deuteronomy 14v26) and to then eat this before the Lord. This was a celebration where God was celebrated as Israels provider. Note that this tithe is not given to the temple or priests. The next tithe takes place every 3rd year and involves the tither giving his tithe (agricultural produce from that year) to the widows, orphans, foreigners and levites (as they had no portion or inheritance). And the third tithe worked like this; the tither brought his agricultural produce to the Levites (who were the workers in the temple), the Levites in turn had to give a tenth of tithe they had been given to the Lord (a tithe of a tithe), not the people (congregation of Israel) but the Levites. The Lord’s portion was in turn given to the priests (Numbers 18v28). Note Numbers 18v30-31, again it is clear that the tithe is food. Who tithed to the Lord (which was given to the priests), according to the Bible? The Levites. Who tithed to the Levites? The congregation. The Levites tithed a tenth of a tenth, so 1% went to the priests and what the Old Testament referred to as God’s storehouse. Please note 2 Chronicles 31v6&10, again the tithe is agricultural produce and v10 says, “Since they began to bring the contributions into the house of the LORD, we have eaten and had enough and have plenty left, for the LORD has blessed his people, so that we have this large amount left.” Why had they eaten? Because the people brought them food. Why did they need food? Because they had no inheritance of land (they Levites were however given cities within each tribes borders) and because their purpose was not to work the land or do other jobs but to serve the Lord in the temple and priests (and some to be priests), and to be musicians and gatekeepers and so on. Please consider Nehemiah 10v37-38 and note the following; “And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage” – note that the tithes (of the ground) go to the Levites, from all the cities of our TILLAGE (agriculture). Verse 38 says: And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.
7. Some prosperity preachers and proponents have claimed that their was no proper monetary/financial system and wage system during this time, like there is today, and that because of the monetary system and wage system of the modern world we are now required to tithe our salary (money). This is a lie and has no biblical support. Money is mentioned twice in Deuteronomy 14:25-26 – a passage that concerns tithing, but it (money), is not the tithe. Money is also mentioned numerous times in Genesis (Genesis 13:2, Genesis 17:12 & 27, Genesis 20:16, Genesis 23:7-16, Genesis 33:19, Genesis 37:28). So if the tithe was meant to be money (silver or gold) then God would have clearly stated that it should be money as there were words to express the idea of money (silver & gold). Genesis 23:13-16 mentions money, shekels of silver & currency of merchants – all which prove that there was a financial system in place even in the days of Abraham.
8. What about Malachi? This is the most misused passage of scripture in the Bible and it is just astounding how so many people are fooled by greedy men and preachers with no faith but who try and scare people into tithing to ensure their income and comfortable lifestyles. Read the whole of Malachi and you will note that he first half deals with condemning corrupt priests. Who is robbing God? Israel, not Christians. After reading all the other verses given above on tithing then you should better understand what is going on in Malachi 3v8-12. Malachi was believed to be a prophet during the time of Nehemiah, so read the Nehemiah passage again. Who had to bring the tithe into the storehouse according to the law? The Levites (a tenth of a tenth), Who had to tithe to the Levites? Israel. Why was this important? If Israel was not supplying the Levites with food, who in turn would then not be supplying the priests with food, then the priests and Levites would neglect their religious duties as they would have to work to feed themselves and their families. When God says; “And thereby put me to the test, says the LORD of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need” what does He mean, a thorough study of the Old Testament makes this very clear numerous times, one of the outcomes of disobedience was famine. What does opening the windows of heaven refer to? Rain! See Genesis 7v11 & 8v2, and if you look at the Strongs numbers for “Open”, “Windows” and “Heaven” you will see that in each case the same Hebrew word is used. The devourer in Malachi is not satan, the Hebrew word translated devourer is actually the same word used in Deuteronomy regarding “eating” (or devouring) ones tithe before the Lord. The Amplified Bible includes the following after the word devourer [insects and plagues]. A thorough reading of the Old Testament will make this clear, as numerous times God allowed famine and destruction when Israel disobeyed but when they were obedient He blessed them and their land (which is what verse 12 is referring to). Some prosperity preachers and proponents of tithing go so far as stating that if you do not tithe God will curse you (based on Malachi 3v9), this is also a lie to scare Christians into tithing (into tithing money), this applies only to Israel. The curse being referred to is the curse of the Law which can be found in Deuteronomy 27:11-26 and Deuteronomy 28:15-68. Israel continuously turned away from God and failed in keeping His commands (as recorded in the Law of Moses) and so this curse was brought upon Israel. Daniel makes mention of this in his prayer to God on behalf of the people of Israel in Daniel 9:1-19 (note verses 11-14). Church leaders should know better than to stress this curse when reading from Malachi 3:8-12 and should repent for doing so. Christians have been redeemed from the curse of the law (Galatians 3:13).
9. Concerning Jesus and tithing, we have only two incidents where Jesus mentions tithing and in both cases it is in a negative context towards the Pharisees. In the one incident, recorded in Matthew 23v23 and Luke 11v42, the message Jesus is trying to get across is not tithing but that the Pharisees were neglecting the weightier (more important) parts of the Law, but prosperity preachers use these verse out of context to try and prove that tithing is an eternal principal and that Jesus condoned tithing. Did Jesus condone tithing in these passages? Yes, he would have to us he had to obey the laws of Moses and fulfilled the Law, on the cross He said it is finished, and part of that finished work means we are no longer under the law of Moses. The law was a part of the old covenant but Jesus death and resurrection ushered in the New Covenant, a covenant where we are under grace and free from the curse of the law. What is interesting though is that what tithing proponents fail to point out is that Jesus was condoning the Pharisees tithing of agricultural produce; mint, anise, cummin, rue and all manner of herbs. The Pharisees were so religious that they even went so far as to tithe their herbs when in the Old Testament it seems to only suggest cattle, sheep, goats, corn, wine, wheat, oil and so on (the larger more substantial foods). The real massage behind these passages is still applicable today, the religious pharisees of today, prosperity preachers and followers are so obsessed with money and wealth that they worry so much about tithing so that they can be blessed and wealthy yet they ignore the more weightier matters – the commands of Jesus and the will of God. Believing that this verse can be used to support monetary tithing as an eternal principal leaves you with a couple of problems, firstly as mentioned under point 4 regarding Luke 5v12-14 Jesus condoned animal sacrifice and using the same logic this would also qualify as an eternal principal. Secondly, Jesus is not condoning monetary tithing but agricultural tithing, which ties in with the third point, that is, that Jesus is condoning tithing as under the law of Moses which leaves proponents of the modern monetary system of tithing with a number of problems as we are not tithing according to the rules of tithing as found in the law. The second incident where Jesus mentions tithing is in the parable in Luke 18v10-14, I am not going to explain this passage as it is easy to understand, but once again the tither is a religious person who is seen in a negative light and who partly pins his salvation on the fact that he tithes, does that sound familiar.
10. Concerning Hebrews 7. It is recommended that the entire book of Hebrews be read for context and especially Chapter 7. By reading the entire chapter we can clearly see that verses 1-10 are not about tithing or about condoning tithing but rather about Melchizedek and what he represented.
11. It must also be noted that it was only in the beginning of the second year of Israel’s exodus that tithing was introduced, but notice what happened before the laws of tithing were introduced when God wanted an offering (contribution) towards making the Ark, the Gold Lampstand and the Tabernacle, this event takes place in Exodus 25 while Moses is on the mountain for forty days and forty nights. Pay special attention to verse 2, and ask yourself if tithing is an eternal principle why was it not employed in this case? Does this not remind you of 2 Corinthians 9:7? This instruction is carried out in Exodus 35, in verses 4-9 we see Moses repeating God’s command and then in verses 20-29 we see the response of the congregation. Fast forward to the end of David’s reign we have a similar example, this time regarding the building of the temple, see 1 Chronicles 29v1-9 (note vs 6-9). In both these cases the people offered willingly, not under compulsion, like modern the modern tithing system. Some pastors make ridiculous claims that God cannot advance His kingdom without our tithes. God does not need our money, our tithes or us to advance His kingdom. God wants our obedience not our sacrifice, not our tithes.
If you have read all the passages that mention tenth, tithe, tithes and tithing (given above) and you are a proponent of the modern monetary system of tithing let me ask you this; if you say that tithing is an eternal principal and that Jesus condones it and that we must be biblical (a phrase often used by prosperity preachers regarding monetary tithing) then lets be biblical. Looking past the fact that Jesus died on the cross and rose again, not only for our sins, but also to usher in the New Covenant that frees us from the curse of the law but using our Saviour’s reference to tithing contextually, which is tithing as mentioned under the laws of Moses which needed to be adhered by the Israelites, and let us not stop there, let us look past the fact that under the law and when mentioned by Jesus the tithe is always agricultural produce – how then should we be practicing tithing if we are to be biblical. Well, seeing as we have already ignored so much of what biblical tithing is we might as well make a few more unbiblical exceptions before presenting our model. As under the new Covenant we no longer have a temple, as we the body of Christ, the congregation, are the temple or the church (ekklessia which refers to the congregation and not to a building) this presents a problem so let us just say that as we don’t have a temple let us refer to our church buildings as the church or a church and make this the equivalent of the Old Covenant Temple. The next problem is we do not have priests who perform the temple offerings and ceremonies, but no problem let us just say that modern day pastors are the equivalent of the Old Testament priests, With this in mind, then based on what our Lord and Saviour said about tithing (clearly referring to tithing as under the law of Moses), but excusing certain biblical truths about tithing and changing it into a monetary system, how then should we tithe. Well firstly at every feast period we will need to go to Jerusalem (in this case, as we are already changing what we like, let us substitute Jerusalem for our local church or a city in our country with religious significance) with our monetary tithe, and once there we would need to buy whatever our heart desires for food and drink and then eat this before the Lord acknowledging Him as our provider, at the end of each year we would need to take our tithe to the Levites, but wait a minute, who are the Levites in our modern system. Well in the Old Testament they were the helpers in the temple, so a fair equivalent would be the deacons and church cleaners (those that vacuum and mop the floors and clean the toilets and so on) and office workers. These people would then need to be given our monetary tithe, then in our attempt to be biblical these people, the church workers, would need to give a tenth of a tenth to the pastors and elders (so 1%) and this is what goes into the storehouse of God (which under our system equates to the church building) but for use by the pastors to feed themselves. And lastly every third year we would need to give our tithe to the orphans, widows and foreigners as well as to the church workers within our cities so that they will have money to by food which they can then eat before the Lord in the place where He chooses to put His name.
Seriously brothers and sisters who are we trying to fool here, God, ourselves? The modern system of financial tithing is not biblical, it has no biblical support and requires it’s proponents to do some ridiculous scriptural gymnastics. The prosperity gospel feeds on our selfish lusts and desires. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! Read your Bibles, study the Word and pray to God for understanding.
Should we be giving under the New Covenant? Yes! Who should we be taking care of first? Those within the body (your church – if their are poor people in your church and you are ignoring their needs and excusing it as their lack of faith and assumption that they do not tithe – woe to you – you have neglected the weightier matters). Should we take up offerings? Yes! Should we be using these offerings to build fancy churches and fill these churches with every gimmick under the sun to feed on our congregation’s worldly desires? No!!! Should pastors be receiving salaries from tithes? Biblically, no, but we should be taking care of them as a congregation? Yes, this can be with money, food and so on, but sadly many pastors today are not protecting their flocks but leading them astray, a pastor is a shepherd and a teacher, so how should he go about his job, well we have a good example of a shepherd and a teacher in the Bible, His name is Jesus and sadly I do not see many pastors following His example instead they have created a system which allows them to stay put and be comfortable and to feed off their flocks instead of feeding their flock. To all you proponents of the prosperity gospel, are you willing to imitate the early church by selling everything you have and sharing everything in common and to distribute this money to all your fellow brothers and sisters as they have need (Acts 2v44-45 & Acts 4v34-37)? What I have found is the answer is always no and excuses are made. Some of the poorest church members I have known were also the most dedicated tithers, hoping that their tithes would make them wealthy because this is what they were being taught. Shame on us for letting out poorer brothers and sisters go hungry. Shame on us for gathering up riches here on earth but ignoring the words of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Have mercy on us Lord, open our eyes Father to Your truth.
That should read “Lot’s capture” under point 1. Point 5 should read consider the entire life of Jacob recorded in Genesis.
One can go on and on for days, as you seem to do here. Folks can be educated on the Bible, as you clearly are; yet, you seem more angry with preachers of the prosperity Gospel than you seem angry with tithers or tithing. Why is that? Are you not using the Gospel (as you collect and interpret it, however academically) to make a point you wanted to make BEFORE even looking at the Word? Are you not doing exactly that which you oppose?
That should read “Lot’s capture” under point 1.
For days, I’ve read many of the comments too. And (See) this topic could go on until Jesus comes back. But im sure he wouldn’t like that. Since he Is “The Prince of Peace”. And his Children are “Called” Peace Makers.
And Jesus would not debate, because The true Spirit of God on the inside of you, Causes you to be a “Giver”. It’s no debate about that. Especially, to those of the Faith, and to anyone in need, and those who have been faithful in few or many things.
AS for as a law to give 10% to “one” specific person or organization. The rich keep getting richer and the poor; poorer. We are not under a law or tradition. Giving to churches is good If that is what you choose. It should not offend anyone; because it’s your choice. And Giving to people around you of Faith who are going through is good. Giving in what ever way “the Lord” leads you IS Good.
It would be good to (See) alot of the money given out. Really make a difference in the “Life/Lives” of others. Who would (see) it as a True witness of God in us & glorify him.
All God’s People Loving, looking out, & Helping one another. Sounds like heaven…….
What “Love” IS and is not: The True Spirit of Love is always; An I desire/want to do for (you)Grace. The Gift; makes us “want to” share it without any discrimination. And what Love is not: “Is a I have to do it”(duty). God “Gave” us his True Love with so much joy in his spirit. As we ought to towards him and people. As a True witness of the nature of The Lord and what he put (inside) us.
1Corinthians 9:13,14 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from theeee temple,and that those who serve at the alter share in what is offered on the alter? In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.
2Corinthians9:6-8 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly , and whoever sows generously will also reap generously .each of you should give what you have decided to give,not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.
In everything I did , I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak,remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said : ‘ It is more blessed to give than to receive.’ Acts 20:35
1Timothy5:17,18 The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. For scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and ” The worker deserves his wages.”. The purpose of tithing and offering is so the church can do Gods work and help the poor and needy.
it no longer is called tithing we give according to Acts give all and share so that none have lack. If you tithe to a church who does the church tithe to and who do they who receive tithe from the church tithe to ? when does it end does it eventually reach God ?
how does God reach for the tithe through a man? , a priest ? because we are all priests. These concepts that these ministers teach has no biblical; basis they teach out of human reasoning. the fact is that the Tithe was a type of christ as it was part of the sacrifice made on the altar it was done a way with when Christ Died. we now practice cheerful giving who’s heart is in his giving according to New Testament teachings. We are joint heirs with Christ so doesnt that mean we share all things ? what does it mean to be a joint – heir.
The Tithe is before the law, Abraham tithed to Melchizedek, In the law and in the New Testament. Jesus commended the Pharisees for tithing and corrected them because they did not practice justice, mercy and faith. Because Abraham practiced it and Jesus affirmed tithing it is not just a goal, but spiritual principle that honors God.
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